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Wayne_Kozun

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Distribution of Par 3s,4s,5s
« on: September 18, 2005, 03:39:20 PM »
I apologize if this has been discussed before but I tried searching but couldn't find this exact topic.

Why is it that most (but certainly not all) courses have 10 par 4s, 4 par 5s and 4 par 3s?  The answer certainly isn't The Old Course as it doesn't have this arrangement.

Why not 6 holes of each par? Are there any courses with such a configuration?

Sure there is a lot of variety in the design of par 4s, but there is a lot of variety in the design of par 3s and 5s.  You can have short and long par 3s and 5s as well.

wsmorrison

Re:Distribution of Par 3s,4s,5s
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2005, 05:35:28 PM »
After changes by Rees Jones, the Old Course at the Homestead now has 6 of each par class.  The scorecard is rather unique in another way in that the first par 4 doesn't come until the sixth hole with the start 5,3,5,5 and 3 followed by 4,4,4,3 (3 of each) then the back nine is 4,3,5,5,4,5,3,4,3 (3 of each).

Jeff_Mingay

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Re:Distribution of Par 3s,4s,5s
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2005, 06:09:31 PM »
Geez... that is a very interesting scorecard, Wayne!
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Craig_Rokke

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Re:Distribution of Par 3s,4s,5s
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2005, 06:09:51 PM »
I think that, to an extent, if you have a pre-conceived notion of how the 3's, 4's and 5's should by divied
up, you are probably not going to end up with the
best layout the property offers. (Obviously you'd want a somewhat even distribution of each.)
« Last Edit: September 18, 2005, 06:10:19 PM by Craig_Rokke »

Brian_Sleeman

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Re:Distribution of Par 3s,4s,5s
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2005, 06:17:44 PM »
One of the more interesting stretches I've played was Lawsonia's Links course (Langford), which runs 5-3-5-3-5-3 from holes 9 to 14, and features 8 par 4's and 5 each of the 3's and 5's.

CHrisB

Re:Distribution of Par 3s,4s,5s
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2005, 08:51:05 PM »
I'd be interested in knowing what were the earliest courses to have the 4/10/4 configuration of 3s/4s/5s.

Back in the day, didn't they relate a player's score to "fours" (for example, if a player was "level fours" through 12, he had taken 48 shots to that point)? If so, maybe having a par of 72 was preferable since "level fours" was "even par". But someone must have come up with the idea that four par 3's and four par 5's was somehow better than the other configurations, because that certainly seemed to become the "standard" at some point.

I'd be interested if any of the earliest architects ever wrote about it.

Forrest Richardson

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Re:Distribution of Par 3s,4s,5s
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2005, 10:18:38 PM »
Wayne — It is a "standard" adopted by architects, owners and others. That's all. Fortunately it is challenged by many here, and others.

Here is some reading for you on the subject:

On early golf courses, the variables that made up the routing were often quirky. The order of par and length of holes were not established to follow any idea of good formula, nor was any extreme effort taken to make sure these variables seemed perfect. The ideals of ensuring pattern, balance, and symmetry were not as important as allowing the land to unfold the routing. The routing was a product of the land and came to life as places were found to fit holes. Unlike modern times, where routings are very often contrived and purposefully balanced and symmetric, ancient and early designs were whatever they became. There being no concept of par most certainly influenced some of these layouts. Holes were short, long, or somewhere in between. One example of such a course comes to mind that, if routed and designed today, might, unfortunately, get people fired from their jobs.

Bishop Auckland, is a charming 18-hole layout in Northern England. The Bishop, as it is known, sports a most unpredictable order of par. Beginning on the front side, golfers face holes of modern-day par 4, 5, 5, 5, 3, 4, 3, 3, 5 = 37, and, continuing on the back, par 3, 5, 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4 = 35. There is simply nothing “usual” about how Bishop Auckland is routed, the order of the pars, or balance between the nines. Amazingly, in the club’s centennial book (1894 to 1994), there is zilch about how in the world this design oddity came to be. The rationales, however, can be gleaned by inspecting The Bishop firsthand. Quite simply — and appropriately — this is a course where the land was used to its fullest. Short holes (par 3s) were obviously situated along a meandering creek, and because the creek refused to run uphill to the clubhouse site, these holes are largely bunched in one area, well away from the clubhouse. From there, the puzzle became one of getting away from the clubhouse and back again. The reason there are three par 5s in a row is that the most important thing was not answering to a developer or banker about what would make a good course or whether it would be laughed at by the critics. Rather, the only requirement was that the golf fit — and that it be good and challenging in the process. If you look at the scorecard, it might seem that The Bishop ends on a boring note. How can six par 4s possibly make for a good finish? Well, when you build a course on the sloping moorlands above a valley, you get uphill and downhill and sidehill holes and all sorts of combinations of each. The Bishop’s architects realized this. The order of par and everything else unusual about this course is a product of what mattered most. Remember, too, that James Kay, the original designer, and those who followed were not encumbered by the whole idea of par. Bishop Auckland fits, but sadly it would be a difficult task to convince the modern-day developer of this.

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