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Brent Hutto

Camden (SC) Country Club and Walter J. Travis
« on: September 13, 2005, 10:44:30 AM »
I've always heard that the Camden Country Club in Camden, SC was "a Donald Ross course". However, I recently came across a web page http://buff-golf.com/travis.htm which lists Camden as a Walter J. Travis course from 1923. It also says it was "formerly known as Kirkwood Links".

Does anyone know the relationship or timing of Ross, Travis, Camden and Kirkwood? Or is this maybe a spurious entry in a book somewhere?

Nathan Cashwell

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Re:Camden (SC) Country Club and Walter J. Travis
« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2005, 11:17:52 AM »
As far as I understand it Travis designed Camden in 1923.  Ross remodeled all 18 holes in 1939.  It is always referred to as a Ross course so I guess it was a total redesign eliminating most if not all of Travis' work, but I cannot confirm because I have never seen the course.  Though I want to, just haven't gotten the opportunity yet.  Hope that helps.

T_MacWood

Re:Camden (SC) Country Club and Walter J. Travis
« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2005, 12:22:49 PM »
It is my impression Camden is a Travis course with Ross greens. I believe Ross's work consisted of grassing Travis's sand greens. Evidently those sand greens built by Travis were pretty wild, I'd be curious if Ross retained any of their undulations.

Brent Hutto

Re:Camden (SC) Country Club and Walter J. Travis
« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2005, 12:57:42 PM »
Tom,

I doubt the greens are as wild as they were in the Old Man's day but by reputation at least they're supposedly very small and very tricky with humps toward the middle of a lot of them. I'm going to find my way over there for a round one day because it sounds like the kind of course I'd love and it's only 40 minutes from my house.

I know a guy who grew up on that course and he's one of the two best chippers I know and probably the very best at delicate little pitch shots. Cause and effect? I tend to think so...

John Shimp

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Re:Camden (SC) Country Club and Walter J. Travis
« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2005, 03:07:09 PM »
I used to play Camden some in high school matches.  The greens are interesting, very small, and have many steep faced fall offs on the sides that are more severe than many Ross courses.  I remember feeling sick when I missed some of the greens. :'(  The course also has many pretty tight tree lined holes that can leave you with punch shots to greens that can't be accessed with those types of shots.  I don't recall the undulations/contours on the greens to be as wild  as Cape Arundel; the only other Travis course I've played.


Brent Hutto

Re:Camden (SC) Country Club and Walter J. Travis
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2005, 03:48:24 PM »
I drove by Camden Country Club today at lunch time and spent a little while eating a ham sandwich and looking at the (copies of) old Ross sketches and letters on the walls. It seems that there were at least two major reworkings of the course after the original uncredited 1903 course (27 holes, actually). Travis rerouted all 27 holes and installed his own set of sand greens (that's 1). Then in 1938-9 Ross converted them to Bermuda grass and made some changes that I did not have time to enumerate. Finally, in 1999 the greens were changed yet again to USGA spec drainage (Ross made them pushed-up sand with a lot of clay content) and several of the holes were somewhat rerouted including the addition of two ponds as water hazards on the tenth and fourteenth.

What is not clear to me is exactly when the current ordering of the holes was adopted. I believe it was by Ross or maybe it some time after Ross (maybe in the 1950's which was the course's heyday). At any rate, the clubhouse sits near a green and two tees that were originally somewhere early in the back nine. The holes were totally reordered to bring the tenth tee to within 150 yards or so of the clubhouse, at the expense of a longish 1/4-mile walk from 9 green to 10 tee.

In the 1999 greens renovation substantial size was added to most greens to bring them back to the dimensions shown in some pre-construction sketches (color, in Ross's hand) that were unearthed somewhere around town in the early 90's. So the teensy-tiny domed greens that John Shimp recalls were actually the result of years of encroachment around the edges. They are now back at their modest but not quite tiny size as specified by Donald Ross. I'd say they're still a bit smaller than the greens at Athens CC or Holston Hills (those are the only two Ross-derived country clubs in the Southeast that I've seen).

I'm hoping to visit again and take better notes as well as arrange a round of golf there if possible. They offered to lend me a golf cart to drive around and look at the course today but their unaccompanied visitor play policy appears to be of the moderately exclusive type.

A couple of postscripts...

John Shimp, are you related to Terry Shimp whose a member at my home course the University Club in Blythewood, SC?

Is anyone familiar with Rick Robbins and Associates of Cary, NC? They did the 1999 renovation at Camden.

And finally, do the names "Lefty" Flynn and Bobby Chapman ring any bells? I saw their pictures (among many others) in pictures around the clubhouse at Camden. Both of those names seemed familiar but the time period (1950's) was way too far back for my knowledge. Maybe I saw one or both mentioned in pictures of that vintage in Knoxville.

John Shimp

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Re:Camden (SC) Country Club and Walter J. Travis
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2005, 07:20:39 PM »
Brent,
Great info on Camden. Fascinating history. Here is a link to the Carolinas Golf Association web site that discusses the Sr. Amateur that just finished at Camden yesterday.  It states that the course is the toughest short course in the Carolinas! :o
http://www.carolinasgolf.org/

 I am related to Terry Shimp. I'm his son and grew up in Columbia.  (He and I are actually going down to play Palmetto this Saturday morning before heading to the USC v. Bama game.)

Brent Hutto

Re:Camden (SC) Country Club and Walter J. Travis
« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2005, 07:37:00 PM »
John,

Thanks for the link to the Senior Amateur results. I'll enjoy reading it now that I've seen (part of) the course.

Tell Terry I said hello. I haven't had a chance to play golf with him for a couple months but it's always a pleasure. Enjoy Palmetto, it ought to be nice this time of year if you can just catch a little cooler day tomorrow than we had today...

Michael Whitaker

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Re:Camden (SC) Country Club and Walter J. Travis
« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2005, 06:24:35 PM »
I drove by Camden Country Club today at lunch time and spent a little while eating a ham sandwich and looking at the (copies of) old Ross sketches and letters on the walls.

Brent - You get way too much time for lunch! It's 30 miles to Camden from Cola! Let me know when you want to play Camden and I will hook you up... anytime.

By the way, I played golf yesterday with Cory Miller co-owner of the University Club and he told me he and his dad (Lou) sold the course to the Ginn Company. Do you have an opinion as to whether that is a good or bad thing as far as the members are concerned?

"Solving the paradox of proportionality is the heart of golf architecture."  - Tom Doak (11/20/05)

Matt_Ward

Re:Camden (SC) Country Club and Walter J. Travis
« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2005, 03:09:23 PM »
Can someone tell me if the Carolina Four-Ball Match Play event is still played at Camden?

I played the course frequently while a student at USC.

Very interesting greensites indeed.

Brent Hutto

Re:Camden (SC) Country Club and Walter J. Travis
« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2005, 10:16:14 PM »
Matt,

Yes, I'm pretty sure the four-ball is played there. At least it was a couple years ago. I've been out of town but I'll double check tomorrow.

[EDIT] Yes, that's still where they play the four-ball.

Mike,

I've been out of circulation at the University Club for a few weeks so this was somewhat of a surprise to me (the sale of the club, that is). However, the handwriting has been on the wall...or maybe I should say in the woods. For about six months they've been clearing house lots and preparing for access roads to build houses right up against the line of play on a bunch of holes. And every Sunday there are realtors driving around on the cart paths taking prospective buyers sightseeing.

As for whether it's a good thing or a bad thing I guess that would depend on what kind of member you ask. Someone who is a member because it's a fun golf course to play, is kept in tip-top condition and because they liked playing in little MGA evens and such will think it's a terrible thing (that would be me and pretty much everyone I play golf with). I guess anyone who wants to be associated with a Big Deal course or wants to have their daugther's wedding there one day will thing it's great...maybe.

Their concept is to build 800 houses, 200+ condos, a zillion square foot gold-plated clubhouse and make the housing development, golf course, other recreational facilities and the clubhouse all part of one big umbrella high-end "lifestyle" developer's wet dream. I'd say that would appeal to approximately 1 out of 20 of the current members but then again maybe I just don't hang around with the big shots.

So they'll get Lee Janzen to put his name on nine new holes and make a few modifications to the existing 27. Even though it's just my own imagining I figure those modifications will serve to integrate them better with the houses (which are going to be way too close to the line of fire for a hacker like me to play there). Some time in the next couple months our very reasonable monthly dues will become less reasonable and there is some as of yet "to be arranged" involved in converting existing members to members of the new club at all. So I figure I've got until the end of 2005 to find another place to play. Life is change, I like the University Club but then again I like a lot of other places too.
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Bryan Drennon

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Re:Camden (SC) Country Club and Walter J. Travis
« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2005, 11:23:19 AM »
Brent,
You might want to consider Columbia CC. Personally, it's my favorite course in Columbia and the greens are absolutely perfect since they redid them. They course plays firm and fast and is just great old layout. Don't forget about that out of town membership to Palmetto too. Of course, don't forget to invite me when do that.  ;D

Jamey Bryan

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Re:Camden (SC) Country Club and Walter J. Travis
« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2006, 11:28:39 AM »
I’m a new registered member here; I was very interested to see this old thread on Camden.  I’ve been a member of CCC on and off for 40 years and dearly love the “old lady”.  Most of what’s been written previously is correct, but for anyone who’s interested, here’s a thumbnail sketch of Camden Country Club’s history (and some personal observations).

The club was chartered in 1899; the members were to (among other activities) play golf on the Kirkwood Links.  The Kirkwood Links was a course owned by the Kirkwood Hotel, one of several resort hotels in Camden catering to wealthy Northerners who wished to winter in a warmer climate.  Camden was, and is, an active horse training center, and attracted many with an interest in horses.  The original architect of the Kirkwood Links is unknown; the course consisted of 27 holes (18 on the current site and 9 a short distance away).

In 1923, Walter Travis was engaged to renovate the Kirkwood Links.  To my knowledge, there’s no documentation showing the extent of his work but contemporaneous accounts indicate extensive rerouting and green design.  The Travis greens were sand, and the #1 Tee was adjacent to the Kirkwood Hotel (a short par 5, now #13).

In 1932, Donald Ross was retained to further renovate the course, and convert the greens to bermuda grass.  The club has copies of Ross’s drawings and notes for this renovation (the originals are owned by a member), the bulk of his attention was given to green shaping and bunker placement with some alteration of tee sites and elevation.  The Travis routing was retained virtually intact, though I’ve been told (with no documentary evidence) that Ross did create one par 3 from scratch.  I’m somewhat dubious on this, as the person that told me this has, at different times, told me that hole was the current #12 and #16.  The notes seem to indicate that the greens are probably 90% Ross, with a strong Travis influence.  Generally, the slopes are pretty severe, but with little undulation within the green complexes.

After World War II, the Kirkwood Hotel closed and the golf course was purchased by a group of wealthy residents (including William F. Buckley) who leased it to Camden Country Club for a nominal amount.  The clubhouse was an annex to the old Kirkwood Hotel, and the routing remained as originally set by Travis (with #1 being the current #13).

Hole     1       2        3         4     5        6      7       8      9    Out   
Tee 4   380   179   546   422   320   230   407   140   370   2994   
Tee 3   340   172   531   382   305   208   365   135   328   2766   
Tee 2   310   149   414   346   271   188   333   125   307   2443   
Tee 1   270   127   375   304   240   122   303   103   284   2128   
Par        4        3         5       4      4       3       4       3   4      34   
   
Hole     10     11      12     13     14      15      16    17    18   IN   Total
Tee 4   434   382   172   483   503   423   186   402   379   3364   6358
Tee 3   416   353   158   462   471   407   175   387   344   3173   5939
Tee 2   364   316   144   427   420   352   163   348   317   2851   5294
Tee 1   327   210   105   393   380   281   125   282   285   2388   4516
Par      4        4         3      5       5       4         3       4      4      36        70
 


Hole Sequence
Travis/Ross   1   2    3     4    5    6   7   8   9  10  11  12 13 14 15  16  17  18
Current        13  14  15  16  17    3   4  5  6    7   8    9    1   2  18 10  11  12

In the mid 1950’s, DuPont built a large installation in Camden largely changing the makeup of the local population.  New members wanted swimming and other amenities, so the clubhouse was moved to an existing house sited above what was then # 7 green.  Unfortunately, a portion of the old #13 fairway was used to accommodate the swimming pool and the hole was shortened from a par 5 to a par 4 with a new tee adjacent to the clubhouse and putting green.  To maintain a par of 70, the current #7 was arbitrarily changed to a par 5 (which, at approximately 400 yards, it never was though it’s a very strong par 4).

In 1999, the club undertook a renovation overseen by Rick Robbins, with the intent of restoring the course as faithfully as possible to Donald Ross’s vision.  Using the Ross sketches, the greens were restored to their original sizes and shapes (encroachment had claimed approximately 25%, more in some instances), were rebuilt to USGA specs, and were grassed with TifEagle.  #7 was returned to a par of 4, and #14 received new tees and lengthened to a par 5 (apparently not a very strong one as I made an albatross shortly after the reopening!).

Generally, I think the renovation was successful though not without shortcomings.  For budgetary reasons, Robbins was selected over other architects who had experience with Ross course renovations.  For the same reason, Robbins was not extensively involved in overseeing the construction phase (probably the worst “economy” ever).  Finally, the selected contractor had no previous experience with Ross courses and had only one qualified shaper (who quit prior to completion of the project).  In spite of these problems, the finished product looks (to a totally unqualified armchair archie) to be very close to that drawn up by Mr. Ross.  One unfortunate alteration made by Robbins (in my opinion) was elimination of the sole “convex bunker” on the course, the only “trademark” characteristic we had of Walter Travis.  This was replaced by two poorly sited fairway bunkers which don’t come into play for low handicaps but are very penal to weekend players.

Post-renovation, the layout is pretty much as designed by Mr. Ross, with the exception that the current #1 is a 380 yard par 4 as opposed to a 547 yard par 5, and #14 is a 503 yard par 5 instead of the designed 430 yard par 4.  Hopefully, when the pool requires replacement there will be support for relocating it and undoing these changes.  It's interesting to note that the original routing had par three holes as both #9 and #18.

Camden has hosted the Carolinas Golf Association Four Ball for 50 of the 55 years it’s been held, and has hosted numerous other CGA and SCGA events.  As others have noted, recent events have included the CGA Senior Amateur (winning score of +5), US Am Qualifying (medalist was even par), and SC Match Play.  Without resorting to “tricking up” the course, the “old lady” has defended herself quite well.  The every-day course record is 60 (held by a former touring pro who grew up in Camden and plays it more or less daily), the competitive record is 64.

Brent Hutto wondered about Lefty Flynn and Bob Chapman:

Bob Chapman is a (now) retired judge who lives in Camden and who was a long-time outstanding amateur (he still plays a pretty mean game).

Lefty Flynn was an early tour player who settled in Camden and ran a driving range and Par 3 course adjacent to the Country Club (the driving range is that now used by the club, the Par 3 course unfortunately gave way to tennis courts)..  In the 50’s and early 60’s, he hosted a pro-am at the club immediately following the Masters; participants included Bob Goalby, Julious Boros, Art Wall, Gene Sarazen, and Ben Hogan (Gene Sarazen had two comments about #5…  That it was the best short par 4 he’d ever seen, and that it was the shortest par 5 he’d ever seen!)

Having now droned on forever, I’d like to extend an invitation to anyone who’d like to play.  Our conditioning isn’t always quite what we’d like to see, but we think it’s a pretty good test of golf (and getting a game is never a problem).

Michael Whitaker

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Re:Camden (SC) Country Club and Walter J. Travis
« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2006, 11:38:35 AM »
Jamie,

What a Great first post!!! Thank you for going to the trouble of telling the Camden CC story. It is a wonderful course that everyone enjoys playing. A good friend of mine, Vic Hannon, is a member there. Perhaps we can get together for a game this fall.

Keep posting... we need more southerners on this site!
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BCrosby

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Re:Camden (SC) Country Club and Walter J. Travis
« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2006, 03:39:30 PM »
Welcome Jamey. Great post.

Bob

ed_getka

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Re:Camden (SC) Country Club and Walter J. Travis
« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2006, 04:07:08 PM »
Jamey,
    Interesting history at your course. Out of curiosity how much more would a Ross "expert" have charged compared to Robbins? 2X as much?
    Was Ross chosen to emulate because you had plans for Ross, but not for Travis? Or could you have gone either way with the work?

Welcome to the site.
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Mike_Young

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Re:Camden (SC) Country Club and Walter J. Travis
« Reply #16 on: September 09, 2006, 05:40:43 PM »

Generally, I think the renovation was successful though not without shortcomings.  For budgetary reasons, Robbins was selected over other architects who had experience with Ross course renovations.  For the same reason, Robbins was not extensively involved in overseeing the construction phase (probably the worst “economy” ever).  Finally, the selected contractor had no previous experience with Ross courses and had only one qualified shaper (who quit prior to completion of the project).  In spite of these problems, the finished product looks (to a totally unqualified armchair archie) to be very close to that drawn up by Mr. Ross.  One unfortunate alteration made by Robbins (in my opinion) was elimination of the sole “convex bunker” on the course, the only “trademark” characteristic we had of Walter Travis.  This was replaced by two poorly sited fairway bunkers which don’t come into play for low handicaps but are very penal to weekend players.

Post-renovation, the layout is pretty much as designed by Mr. Ross, with the exception that the current #1 is a 380 yard par 4 as opposed to a 547 yard par 5, and #14 is a 503 yard par 5 instead of the designed 430 yard par 4.  Hopefully, when the pool requires replacement there will be support for relocating it and undoing these changes.  It's interesting to note that the original routing had par three holes as both #9 and #18.
Jamey,
Enjoyed your post and passion for your course.  I enjoy playing it every chance I have.....my partner, charlie Rymer, won a college or am tournament there a few years back and considers it one of his favorite also.
I have on problem with your post which I have in the "quoted" section above.
I do not believe your statement is fair to rick Robbins.  If you stay on this site log enough they will try and convince you that the so called restoration/renovation experts are golf architects....they are not until they have designed and built their own work....Rick robbins is a golf architect....your comments sound similar to many I have heard from members of the different dead guy architect societies.  The biggest fallicy in the game today is the cottage industry of restoration being promoted by people that have no clue.....be glad the budget was small....most good renovations to golf courses such as Camden require little.  I am am member of a Ross course presently and they are also being led down the path by a small group of members.....we have our work ct out trying to make sure it is not touched....
Hope to see you when we play it in Oct.
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Mike_Young

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Re:Camden (SC) Country Club and Walter J. Travis
« Reply #17 on: September 09, 2006, 05:53:26 PM »
Forgot...it is my 2nd favorite in SC.
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Michael Whitaker

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Re:Camden (SC) Country Club and Walter J. Travis
« Reply #18 on: September 10, 2006, 12:35:03 AM »
Forgot...it is my 2nd favorite in SC.

OK, Mike, I'll bite... what is your 1st favorite?
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Jamey Bryan

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Re:Camden (SC) Country Club and Walter J. Travis
« Reply #19 on: September 10, 2006, 12:08:24 PM »
Mike Young--

I didn't intend to be particularly critical of Rick Robbins' work in Camden's renovation.  My primary criticism was of our club project management in not utilizing Robbins' services in overseeing the construction phase.  We had significant issues with the contractor which I believe could have been better (and more economically) addressed had Robbins still been under contract representing us.  Within the project guidelinesk, I think Robbins did a creditable job.

The criticism of removing the "convex bunker" I stand by strongly.  The surrounding topography (as it existed then) brought that hazard into play for poorly struck shots on two holes.  Once in play, recovery was possible, but generally required a shot not often encountered.  It was a unique design feature which I don't think  should have been eliminated absent a compelling reason.  Robbins' replacement bunkers intrude substantially into the ideal shot line, range from 210 to 250 yards off the tee, and have fairly high lips.  These generally don't come into play for low single digit players, but are "hole killers" for weekend golfers.  On the second hardest hole on the course, I think this was a particularly ill advised change.

I agree that renovations should be approached with a "minimalist" attitude.  In fact, I would suggest that Camden offers a great testimony that (some, at least) classic designs are not being rendered obsolete by technology and that length isn't always required.  BTW, I played Athens CC several times a number of years ago....  it's a great track.

Ed---

The differences in fees ranged from minimal ($10,000 or so) to very large (approx 3x) depending on the "prominence" of the architect.

I don't think there was any thought given to attempting to recreate Travis's green complexes....  they were designed for sand and, to my knowledge, no reliable design documents exist.  Camden has always (as others have noted) been referred to a a Ross design (I'm lonely in feeling we should give Travis his due credit), and the green complexes ARE outstanding.

Mike_Young

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Re:Camden (SC) Country Club and Walter J. Travis
« Reply #20 on: September 10, 2006, 04:03:52 PM »
Forgot...it is my 2nd favorite in SC.
Mike,
Actually it is third...Secession and Palmetto then camden then Yeamans
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Mike_Young

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Re:Camden (SC) Country Club and Walter J. Travis
« Reply #21 on: September 10, 2006, 04:08:20 PM »
Mike Young--

I didn't intend to be particularly critical of Rick Robbins' work in Camden's renovation.  My primary criticism was of our club project management in not utilizing Robbins' services in overseeing the construction phase.  We had significant issues with the contractor which I believe could have been better (and more economically) addressed had Robbins still been under contract representing us.  Within the project guidelinesk, I think Robbins did a creditable job.

The criticism of removing the "convex bunker" I stand by strongly.  The surrounding topography (as it existed then) brought that hazard into play for poorly struck shots on two holes.  Once in play, recovery was possible, but generally required a shot not often encountered.  It was a unique design feature which I don't think  should have been eliminated absent a compelling reason.  Robbins' replacement bunkers intrude substantially into the ideal shot line, range from 210 to 250 yards off the tee, and have fairly high lips.  These generally don't come into play for low single digit players, but are "hole killers" for weekend golfers.  On the second hardest hole on the course, I think this was a particularly ill advised change.

I agree that renovations should be approached with a "minimalist" attitude.  In fact, I would suggest that Camden offers a great testimony that (some, at least) classic designs are not being rendered obsolete by technology and that length isn't always required.  BTW, I played Athens CC several times a number of years ago....  it's a great track.

Ed---

The differences in fees ranged from minimal ($10,000 or so) to very large (approx 3x) depending on the "prominence" of the architect.

I don't think there was any thought given to attempting to recreate Travis's green complexes....  they were designed for sand and, to my knowledge, no reliable design documents exist.  Camden has always (as others have noted) been referred to a a Ross design (I'm lonely in feeling we should give Travis his due credit), and the green complexes ARE outstanding.
Jamey,
I think that the biggest problem with so called restorations of courses such as Camden is in using a contractor...IMHO the work should be so minimal that most ,if not all, can be done in house while using one skilled shaper type person.....JMO
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John Shimp

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Re:Camden (SC) Country Club and Walter J. Travis
« Reply #22 on: September 11, 2006, 08:47:31 AM »
Mike,
Your point on restoration (in house vs. outsourced).  Is an interesting one when comparing Camden (o/s) to Palmetto (inhouse).  Palmetto did bunker/green work based on Doak team recommendations and will do course regrassing and some other green/tee work in house based on Hanse recommendations.  The work so far is great.  I think the course will be fantastic in 1.5 years or so assuming the rest of the work is approved.

It would be fun to get a winter Camden/Palmetto play weekend going.  I will host at Palmetto if there is interest.

Jamey Bryan

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« Reply #23 on: September 11, 2006, 09:21:32 PM »
All:

I also thing the insource vs outsource question is more than interesting.  In our case, I'm not confident we had the inhouse resources to handle more than 30% or so of the work (we were completely rebuilding the greens).  Politically, the renovation never would have been approved had all the work been handled in house (that has nothing to do with the finished product, though I would have been hesitant to entrust the project to our limited crew).  We simply don't have the staffing to handle that extensive a project.

As far as a Palmetto/Camden outing, I'm all in favor and look forward to hosting if there's interest.

Eric Smith

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« Reply #24 on: August 11, 2009, 05:11:31 PM »

As far as a Palmetto/Camden outing, I'm all in favor and look forward to hosting if there's interest.

Jamey:

Fast forward three years, it looks as though you'll be getting the chance to do just that...THANK YOU!

Your reply #12 is exactly what I was looking for in my search of the DG database as I was curious who designed your course.  Do members refer to it as a Travis or a Ross or both?   

This Dixie Cup will be a special weekend for sure and I am very excited to play CCC in November.  Thanks again.

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