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Michael_Stachowicz

Halfway Houses
« on: September 01, 2005, 07:22:40 AM »
We are looking at replacing our "Gin Shack" with a halfway house that might include bathrooms and running water. ;) Are there any thoughts out there on how to do this without making the place (old, traditional golf course) look like a park or a fairground?  Examples of good halway house would be welcomed.  I thought this had been discussed before, but I am unable to find it with the search option.

Tiger_Bernhardt

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Re:Halfway Houses
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2005, 10:20:49 AM »
The world is full of great ones. Some of my favorites include Turnberry, Olympic Lake and MPCC. Oh Pacific Dunes is none too shabby either.
« Last Edit: September 01, 2005, 10:23:53 AM by Tiger_Bernhardt »

Top100Guru

Re:Halfway Houses
« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2005, 10:22:51 AM »
The "11th Tee" at Mountain Lake.....superb!

Steve Curry

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Re:Halfway Houses
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2005, 10:27:40 AM »
Mike,

Here is the best I've been to...


Complete with the golf ball collection.

Steve

wsmorrison

Re:Halfway Houses
« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2005, 10:38:20 AM »
Right you are, Steve.  The best I've ever seen--by far.  Thanks for the photo.

Ben's porch is really cool at Sandhills.  And the burgers may be the planet's best.  What's that seasoning they put on there?  Can it be ordered online?

Merion has a little open hut with beverages and snacks to the left of 11 tee...that sure keeps pace of play going.  This is the minimalist approach.  The Creek Club has a similar one between 9 green and 10 tee.


Evan_Green

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Re:Halfway Houses
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2005, 10:58:33 AM »
Valley Club has a neat halfway house - very simple. Open air and circular, it looks almost like a tropical bar. I was very impressed by it. It certainly does not stall play.

mike_malone

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Re:Halfway Houses
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2005, 11:09:31 AM »
 My wife , who is a psychoanalyst in training , loves the "halfway house". She thinks it is a place for the addicted golfer.
AKA Mayday

Steve Curry

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Re:Halfway Houses
« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2005, 11:15:57 AM »
Wayne,

The picture is from Ran's review, got to give credit.

Mayday,

Freudian halfway house eh.  ;)

Steve


RT

Re:Halfway Houses
« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2005, 11:19:24 AM »


Besides some super sausage sandwiches, hot tea and chocolate, there is dispensing of sage wisdom beyond the door. Royal Cinque Ports

Brian_Ewen

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Re:Halfway Houses
« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2005, 01:31:02 PM »
RT
Thanks for posting , I always wanted a snap of Deals halfway hut.

It was Bloody Marys with the sausage sandwiches when I was there .

Brian

Jason Topp

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Re:Halfway Houses
« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2005, 02:11:41 PM »
I really liked the little huts on Sutton Bay, particularly given it was under 40 degrees.  I nice momentary respite from the wind, all self serve on the honor system.

Gene Greco

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Re:Halfway Houses
« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2005, 02:39:29 PM »
Wayne:

   Believe it or not you CAN order the spices online at www.sandhillsgolfshop.com.

However, your meat may not be quite as fresh as it is out in cattle country.
"...I don't believe it is impossible to build a modern course as good as Pine Valley.  To me, Sand Hills is just as good as Pine Valley..."    TOM DOAK  November 6th, 2010

Patrick_Mucci

Re:Halfway Houses
« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2005, 02:51:01 PM »
The Garden City Golf Club's Halfway house is what all courses should aspire to achieve.

wsmorrison

Re:Halfway Houses
« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2005, 05:24:32 PM »
Gene,

Thanks, now I've got several bottles of each spice coming my way with extra steak spice...not in time for Labor Day cookout at my in-laws though  :-\

You're right about that fresh Nebraska beef.  Hmmm good!  My in-laws are from Nebraska and my mother-in-law's father was a farmer.  Man, the pork and especially the beef were out of this world.  Once my father-in-law was out visiting his relatives in Tilden, NE he stopped by the farm and drove all the way back to Philadelphia in his old Karmann Ghia with a whole side of beef.  That must have been a sight.

Get your fill next week and enjoy!


Pat,

In what regard for those of us who have no idea what you refer to.  How about a little detail kimmosabbe?
« Last Edit: September 01, 2005, 05:26:56 PM by Wayne Morrison »

Larry_Keltto

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Re:Halfway Houses
« Reply #14 on: September 01, 2005, 05:35:08 PM »
I love the photo of the Deal halfway house -- and if you look closely, you can see the "bumpers" of the 12th green in the background.

I can vouch for the quality of the sausages, hot and spicy and oh, so good.

David_Elvins

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Re:Halfway Houses
« Reply #15 on: September 01, 2005, 05:35:30 PM »
The Garden City Golf Club's Halfway house is what all courses should aspire to achieve.

What an extraordinary statement.  Surely the functionality and look of a half way house should suit the course and its clientelle.  

on another note, I saw a sketch and plan of a proposed half way house the other day.  The golf course architect had given a brief to include a bathroom and food service window, and the landscape architects came back with a plan that included indoor seating for 20 people!  
« Last Edit: September 01, 2005, 05:43:01 PM by David_Elvins »
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johnk

Re:Halfway Houses
« Reply #16 on: September 01, 2005, 07:42:57 PM »
No one has mentioned Sunningdale yet...

And Bernhardt mentioned MPCC, but they have 2.  The Dunes course HH is superlative.
« Last Edit: September 01, 2005, 07:43:13 PM by John Krystynak »

David_Elvins

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Re:Halfway Houses
« Reply #17 on: September 01, 2005, 07:48:25 PM »
We are looking at replacing our "Gin Shack" with a halfway house that might include bathrooms and running water. ;) Are there any thoughts out there on how to do this without making the place (old, traditional golf course) look like a park or a fairground?
Michael,
To answer your question more directly, one way that I have seen a few clubs do half way houses is to build one in the style of the clubhouse.  If your club has a stylish clubhouse then a halfway house built in a similar style but smaller scale  can look elegant and not out of place on the course.
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Patrick_Mucci

Re:Halfway Houses
« Reply #18 on: September 01, 2005, 08:48:23 PM »
Wayne Morrison & David Elvins,

Garden City Golf Club doesn't have a halfway house.

They also advise prospective or new members not to suggest building one.

If golf is to be played in a timely fashion, halfway houses thwart that goal.

I thought you guys were purists.

David_Elvins

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Re:Halfway Houses
« Reply #19 on: September 01, 2005, 09:18:46 PM »
Pat Mucci,

I should have known that there had to be a trick to it when you make a blanket statement.  But my point still stands,  different horses for different courses.  If a course does have a half way house, it is important that it has the look and functionality to suit that particular course.
« Last Edit: September 01, 2005, 09:19:25 PM by David_Elvins »
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Patrick_Mucci

Re:Halfway Houses
« Reply #20 on: September 01, 2005, 09:41:21 PM »
Pat Mucci,

I should have known that there had to be a trick to it when you make a blanket statement.  

Well, you should have known better.
I can't be blamed because you were unfamiliar with GCGC and their desire to have foursomes play in approximately 3 hours, without interruption..

How would you evaluate Seminole's halfway house ?
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But my point still stands,  different horses for different courses.  If a course does have a half way house, it is important that it has the look and functionality to suit that particular course.

Could you describe how the halfway house should look and function at Pacific Dunes versus Shadow Creek.

Shoal Creek versus Sand Hills

Pete Dye's TPC versus Harbour Town ?

Should each architect have their own distinct style and functionality for the halfway houses that populate their golf courses ?

Should they be part of the original design ?

Should designers have a seperate department to handle this task ?

How about the clubhouse ?

According to your theory, shouldn't the club house have the same look and functionality as the golf course ?

Could you explain how a halfway house, or clubhouse would have the same functionality of the golf course ?
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wsmorrison

Re:Halfway Houses
« Reply #21 on: September 01, 2005, 09:53:35 PM »
"Merion has a little open hut with beverages and snacks to the left of 11 tee...that sure keeps pace of play going.  This is the minimalist approach.  The Creek Club has a similar one between 9 green and 10 tee."

As I said earlier, I do like pace of play and think the little huts with snacks and beverages accomplish something important.  Nourishment during the round.  It doesn't have to be a burger on Ben's porch--although the amount of play allows a bit more time there.  You know how hot and humid it gets around here...the hut can be a welcome sight.  Does this mean I'm not a purist?  Heck, I think it means I get thirsty and want a cold drink.  I don't want to stop for a 15 minute lunch.

Gulph Mills has a nice little enclosed shack with the honor system for snacks and drinks including Tynant water!  That Welsh water is purist and a nice touch of class.

Come on Pat, you're getting a bit stern on me.

Top100Guru

Re:Halfway Houses
« Reply #22 on: September 01, 2005, 09:56:05 PM »
Pat;

You really are on a mission these days...........and I "LIKE IT"........

Patrick_Mucci

Re:Halfway Houses
« Reply #23 on: September 01, 2005, 11:44:49 PM »
Wayne Morrison,

I thought you were being my straight man.  ;D

David_Elvins

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Re:Halfway Houses
« Reply #24 on: September 01, 2005, 11:46:55 PM »
Pat Mucci,

I should have known that there had to be a trick to it when you make a blanket statement.  

Well, you should have known better.
I can't be blamed because you were unfamiliar with GCGC and their desire to have foursomes play in approximately 3 hours, without interruption..

How would you evaluate Seminole's halfway house ?
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But my point still stands,  different horses for different courses.  If a course does have a half way house, it is important that it has the look and functionality to suit that particular course.

Could you describe how the halfway house should look and function at Pacific Dunes versus Shadow Creek.

Shoal Creek versus Sand Hills

Pete Dye's TPC versus Harbour Town ?

Should each architect have their own distinct style and functionality for the halfway houses that populate their golf courses ?

Should they be part of the original design ?

Should designers have a seperate department to handle this task ?

How about the clubhouse ?

According to your theory, shouldn't the club house have the same look and functionality as the golf course ?

Could you explain how a halfway house, or clubhouse would have the same functionality of the golf course ?
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Pat Mucci,

Based on the "Pat Mucci Posting Theorem"  that I developed some time back -"The quality of a Pat Mucci post is inversely proportional to the number of question marks it contains"- I think it would be fair to say that was not one of your better posts.  

Most of the questions are a bit irrelevant to me as I live in Austraila, not eastern USA.  One of the things that is dissapointing about this site for me is the constant referal to courses in NE America.  It is always exciting when a more general topic such as this one comes up on the board that i can have a crack at jumping into.  Therefor it is extremely dissapointing that you so often seem unable to discuss a general topic such as this one without trying to mold it into a thread that references the 30 or so exclusive clubs that you play in your corner of the world.  

I think that it is great that Garden City has no half way house.  When you play 18 holes in 3 hours there seems no need for a half way house, so that is perfect for the course.  Although the fact that it takes 3 hours to play a round of golf is more a function of the exclusive small male membership than the lack of a half way house.  

Personally I am more inclusionary, the more people playing golf, the better ,whether they are white, black, male or female.   Some other clubs think the same way.  These Clubs often have full time sheets, meaning 4-4.5 hour rounds are often the norm, and a half way snack a convenience.  These clubs often have female members who are not as likely to urinate on a tree as a man, meaning on-course ameneties are required.  So when you say that all clubs should aspire to have a half way house like Garden City, I find it very hard to see how this could be achieved without every club aspiring to have the membership structure of Garden City, a structure that, believe me, not many clubs would aspire to!

I am not sure whether your questions about clubhouses and half way houses were serious or not.  But I would have thought the answers were fairly logical.  In my experience, when the course designer has input into the clubhouse design, there is a greater chance that the clubhouse will fit in aesthetically with the course (sorry but specific examples wouldn't mean much to you).  The same goes for halfway houses.  

This thread started with Michael asking a question about how to construct half way house that didn't look over the top on an old traditional course.  I suggested that he consider constructing the half way hut in the similar style to the clubhouse.  This was based on research I conducted of various half way huts recently when helping to put together a design brief for the half way hut on a renovation project.  I hope he takes the suggestion on board, along with your advice that all clubs should fall into line with your club, a club that is an outlier and an anomoly in the golfing world.
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