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T_MacWood

Sleepy Hollow
« on: August 24, 2005, 02:05:02 PM »
Who carried out the changes to Sleepy Hollow in the early 20's (1922)? Three new holes were added, two holes were combined to form one and another hole remodeled into a dogleg.

George_Bahto

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Re:Sleepy Hollow
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2005, 07:52:25 PM »
Tom: Tom Winton, who did a lot of work in Westchester, did work there in the late 20's and then Tillie went in there and did a lot in 1933 or so

We haven't been abe to document exactly what Winton did for the resasons stated below.

We have a lot of aerials: '26  - '40 and about 4 more from the 50's and on up

we have the Macdonald concept - some of which may not have hit the ground but we do not have exactly what actually hit the ground first time around.
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T_MacWood

Re:Sleepy Hollow
« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2005, 09:01:52 PM »
George
American Golfer had an article in 1922 describing the changes. They elimated the 15th, 16th and 17th because of difficult hill climbing. The old 1st, 2nd and 3rd were then renumbered as the 16th, 17th and 18th, and three new holes were 1st, 2nd and 3rd.

Who ever this architect was he also planned to convert the old par-3 fifth over ravine and the par-4 6th into a long par-5, changing the old seventh into a dog-leg left and an additional three new holes beyond the old 8th. I don't know if these changes were ever executed.

There was a single photo of the well bunkered new third. Its difficult say who did based on the single photo, although the distinctive mounds in the background might be a clue. Possible canidates: Winton, Strong, Emmet, Travis, Tilly and Lees.
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corey miller

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Re:Sleepy Hollow
« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2005, 10:06:30 PM »


Tom

Would love to see the American Golfer article if that is possible.  George B. is in the process of documenting the changes, but it does get quite confusing.  

I have a hard time believing that the mentined holes were eliminated because of difficult hill climbing but rather for the awesome views which made the real estate very valueable.  

I think it was four holes 14,15,16,17 which went to higher ground from the present day 16 short(once it is restored).  Again the views must have been spectacular and it was a way for the group that sold the property to the club to recoup almost all  of their investment.



T_MacWood

Re:Sleepy Hollow
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2005, 06:43:01 AM »
Corey
Give me your address I'll send it to you.

wsmorrison

Re:Sleepy Hollow
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2005, 07:07:42 AM »
Tom Winton pushed pretty hard (maybe that was the problem) to get the 1937 design work at the Pocantico Hills course for the Rockefeller family estate in Tarrytown, NY.  He was not even considered.  That seems odd given he did work at Sleepy Hollow.

P.S. Tom MacWood,

Have you seen the 1934 editions of American Golfer that had a collection of America's best holes?  I think there were 4 holes from Boca Raton South.  Maybe you told me about it, I cannot remember.  Could it be worth posting some info on that on a thread?
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