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Andy Hughes

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Strantz's True Blue (with some pics)
« on: August 22, 2005, 02:55:26 PM »
True Blue was a thrilling course to play, which was no surprise given Mike Strantz designed it.  It may have lacked some of the “what the heck”, head-scratching, jaw-dropping oomph of its sibling Tobacco Road, but I am not an unbiased observer and I also only played True Blue once as opposed to 4 times around Tobacco Road.

True Blue joins a very small group of courses in Myrtle Beach that I have played that is distinctly not what one of my playing partners correctly called ‘cookie cutter’.  This is an original course with a varied group of interesting, challenging and exhilarating holes.  

Everything is on a large scale here—again, no surprise to anyone who has played Tobacco Road.  Playing corridors are quite wide, and the golfer who misses fairways has no one to blame but himself.  Strantz provides ample room to roam, letting the golfer decide for himself how he wants to get from here to there, depending upon his skill, the wind or his nerve. There is almost always a decision to be made, or a choice. Do I want to attack the fairway bunker and shorten my approach, or steer clear and settle for the (sometimes absurdly) wide fairway and leave myself further away and with a poorer angle?  Can I carry the hill on the right—and is there any advantage for doing so?  With the wild contours of the green, where do I wish to attack from (as it was my first round there, I was ignorant of many of these choices).  

However, the penalty for a poor decision or a wayward shot can be quite severe.  The greens are all very large and boldly contoured, and coupled with impressive bunkering/hazards.  Short-sided approaches left incredibly difficult recoveries because of the depth of many of the hazards, the native grasses occasionally in the hazards, the bold undulations of the greens and the greens perched above on hills and knolls. It was not unusual for some greens to be 4-8’ above their surrounds.

The Wardian stats:
7062    74.3/145
6805   72.8/141
6375   70.1/127
6800 yards strikes me normally as a fairly long course, but True Blue did not play long.  Some of that yardage was used up in three par 5s that were around 600 yards long each, and there were only 3 par 4s over 415 yards.

(Note: all yardages are from the 6805 tees that we played)
(Note 2: half the fairways had been aerified)
The first hole is a 600 yard par 5 with an ample fairway (a common theme).  There is realistically no chance to reach in two, so the goal is to avoid the waste areas and leave yourself a wedge in. This is one narrow green, raised above it surroundings—a brook, deep bunkers, wild shrubs.  Should be a comfortable start, as long as you stay in the fairway and hit the skinny green.

Number two is a terrific little par 4 of 335 yards.   You can’t see much from the tee, or at least anything good.  The marker tells you the fairway ends 240 yards away.  Too far left, you miss the fairway, too far right, you find waste area and oak trees blocking the line to the green.  The 50 yard long green (no typo) is quite narrow in the front and widens in the back as it wraps around a waste bunker.  
This is the approach shot:



And this is what happens if you come up a little short (sorry Rob!):



Number three is a 160 yard par 3 that is shaped like Florida (credit to Rob for that observation).  An island green, this hole made me realize that one of the big differences between here and Tobacco Road was the use of water.  Much more here.
Typical Strantz par 3 in that the green is segmented into separate little mini-greens.
The very front of the green has a severe downslope, and anything hitting it likely will not stay on the green.



Number 4 is another of Strantz’ teasing, doglegging par 5s.  This one is 523 and wraps around a lake. Hug the lake, and you can hit it in 2.  Bail out, and you will likely be too far to have a go (though some players are too dense to tack around the lake at that point. Sigh).


Number 6 is 393, and the drive is over a wetland. This one felt out of character with the rest, and was the least memorable.  For some reason, there are two greens here.

The 164 yard 7th is another 50 yard long green, sloping severely right to left.  Right is a waste area, left leaves you well below the green.  There is a back tier that would be very dicey to hit to.



The 8th is a short (363 yards) par 4 that plays well.  It doglegs sharply to the right, though at least half the hole is blind from the tee.  A small boulder sits atop the hill on the inside corner and is a target off the tee. Longer hitters can choose exactly how much of the hill they wish to carry, and the shorter or more timid can bail left into a fairly undulating fairway.  The green is large, and has rolls throughout.  Approaches hit to the front or left, perhaps up to 4-5’ feet onto the green,  stand a very good chance of spinning back down the hill, ending up 6 or 8 feet below the green either in fairway height grass, rough, or bunker.
This is from short and a little left of the green:



Nine is a reachable par 5 of 532 yards.  Though I played the hole fairly well, this hole lacked some oomph for me. One interesting shot: if you are laying up with the second shot, it may be better to hit well right of the green rather than at the green. It feels wrong somehow but the angle between the bunkers and up the green may play much better.
From our tee shots, ~240 yards to go:



The tenth is a lengthy par 5, just less than 600 yards.  It feels Tobacco Road-ish off the tee with the large waster area inside the sharp dogleg, but there is never a sense that this one is reachable.
There are a row of diagonal bunkers to contend with for the second shot.  The is much more room left of the bunkers than it appears:



The green sits just over a small ditch, and is much wider than it is long.  There are some wild contours that can be used to maneuver the ball, though the course would need to be firmer for that effect to work.
Taken from right of the green:



13 is a 400 yard par 4 that plays semi-blind for both the tee shot and the approach. A small hill intrudes from the left off the tee, tending to force the tee shot further right.  Unfortunately, there is no real advantage to driving right or left other than ensuring the drive avoids the waste area right.
Imposing bunkers guard the green, and despite appearances, they are actually 25-30 yards short of the green.  The green has a punchbowl feel to it, with shots tending to funnel towards the middle. There is a large slope to the right that can be used as a backstop.  Hard to get a feel for the approach as much of the green is hidden from view.
The pin is hard to see, but is at the right side of the center bunker:



Number 14 is a 154 par 3 with a 40 yard long, hour-glass shaped green that is decidedly segmented into mini-greens.  It’s slightly reminiscent of 17 at TR.



15 is another 600 yard par 5, and the first two shots are there to put you as close as possible, in the fairway, for a high soft approach. There is a lot of fairway here, and not a lot of reason to be over-bold.  The green is raised up above its surroundings, and shots just long will roll all the way down, maybe 6 feet below the green surface. This is from right and over the green:



The last three holes all play over and along water.
16 is 200 yards, all carry, with a large bunker flowing into the pond:



Number 17 is 426 yards, with water down the right side and fronting the green. Oddly, there is no advantage for challenging the water down the right off the tee—if anything, the green orients itself better to an approach from the left-center.  



18 is 419 yards, with the tee shot over water and water in play all down the left. Its an intimidating tee shot, and I am sure many balls end up in the trees right.  The green has a very large slope right-to-left that can be used to hit away from the water and still run down to the hole.



My only major complaint with the course was its conditioning. Its in terrific shape, but it is very soft.  Drives often leave a pitch mark and stop after a hop.  The greens have terrific, exciting slopes, but they lose much of their appeal and usefulness when balls stop on them. The strategy built into some of the holes disappears if the wild slopes of the greens can be ignored. And the fun of using internal hills and undulations to get near certain hole locations is lost. Much or all of this may be attributable to the time of year—it is August and it is very hot in Myrtle Beach at this time, so it might be necessary to keep things soft just to keep them alive.  
"Perhaps I'm incorrect..."--P. Mucci 6/7/2007

Brent Hutto

Re:Strantz's True Blue (with some pics)
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2005, 03:36:57 PM »
When I played there in late November, 2004 it was pretty soft, moreso on the fairways than the greens. Not plug on every shot soft but not firm-and-fast by any means. I would like to play the course with grass on the greens some time, they were having late-fall transition issues and most greens had patches of bare dirt making long putts a real crapshoot given the often severe contours.

I think the second, third and fourth holes are terrific. Not every course gives you three in a row of that quality and the ones that do usually save them for later in the round. For that matter the first hole has a very interesting green and bunker so the entire opening stretch is unusually fine. I agree that the sixth is a disappointing gimmick hole.

I liked the diagonal bunkering on the tenth as well as the entire scale of the hole. Not much to the green, though. Isn't there a hole somewhere on the back nine with a long bunker down the entire right side of the fairway? Medium-length Par 4? Maybe that was another course somewhere. I liked the green slope on eighteen that you mention [edit] although on the day I was there that particular green was boggy and the approach shot wasn't about to bounce or roll anywhere.
« Last Edit: August 22, 2005, 03:38:23 PM by Brent Hutto »

Tony_Chapman

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Re:Strantz's True Blue (with some pics)
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2005, 03:40:46 PM »
Andy - Have you played Caledonia -- across the road?? Can you compare the two. I have just played Caledonia, but have wanted to play TB. Thanks!

A.G._Crockett

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Re:Strantz's True Blue (with some pics)
« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2005, 03:56:15 PM »
Andy - Have you played Caledonia -- across the road?? Can you compare the two. I have just played Caledonia, but have wanted to play TB. Thanks!

Tony,
I know this question was addressed to Andy, but I'll jump in.  TB and Caledonia are so completely different that one cannot help but be impressed by the artistry of Mike Strantz for being able to see both courses on what seems to be the same land.

Caledonia is a manicured, traditional course for the most part, and will remind you somewhat of Augusta, though without similar elevation changes.  It is one of the most beautiful courses that I have ever played, and it is completely straightforward in Strantz's presentation of the risks and rewards.

True Blue, as you know, is vintage Strantz illusion.  Tee shots that appear to be difficult really aren't; large landing areas are partially obscured, and the player is asked to commit to a shot that is relatively easy but intimidating nonetheless.   The best analogy is riding a roller coaster; scary and exhilarating at the same time.  (I will say that the selection of the proper set of tees is as important as any course I know of, with the third set appropriate for most players.)

During most of the summer, they offer a one-day 36 hole deal in which the two courses can be played for about $150; it is the best deal on the Strand.  I've done this three times, and at first was convinced that Caledonia was the better of the two.  The second year, I realized that I remembered more of True Blue, and was convinced that it was the superior course.  By the third time, I quit worrying about it and just enjoyed the difference.  IMHO, these two courses will give anyone an sense of what the golf world lost with the premature passing of Mike Strantz.

"Golf...is usually played with the outward appearance of great dignity.  It is, nevertheless, a game of considerable passion, either of the explosive type, or that which burns inwardly and sears the soul."      Bobby Jones

rboyce

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Re:Strantz's True Blue (with some pics)
« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2005, 05:27:45 PM »
What are the odds that two gca.com readers who have never communicated before go to the same course, at the same time, and get put in the same group of singles, all while on a half day pass from family vacation, 450 miles from home? Higher than one might think.

True Blue is a very excellent course imho. I'm now aware of two courses that I would play over and over in MB - True Blue and Tidewater. I'm sure there are more, I just haven't played them yet.

We hear about hidden fairways and hidden greens, but how often does one hear about hidden landing areas for second shots on a par 5? The 10th hole at True Blue has one and it is soo cool.

The grass on the greens was unlike anything I can remember. It had thick blades that were so uniform that I did several double takes thinking it was some kind of artificial astroturf stuff. I agree that the course was a bit soggy but i've encountered that at many courses in NoVa this year and have put it down to keeping the grass alive.

I am at a total loss why more new courses aren't built like True Blue. The simple answer is probably that there just aren't many Mike Strantz caliber designers out there.

BTW - Andy is a very good golfer. Although the heat just drained the life out of me, in retrospect, I realize he had 14+ looks at birdie ~20 feet. Once the a/c cooled off the car for the ride home I was wondering what Andy shot. It must have been around 75 - maybe better. I am a tremendous slouch (as evidenced by the 3rd from last pic above) on the golf course, but didn't expect the guy in kswiss sneaks and half a set of clubs to trounce me by 20+ strokes.

Andy Hughes

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Re:Strantz's True Blue (with some pics)
« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2005, 10:03:35 AM »
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When I played there in late November, 2004 it was pretty soft, moreso on the fairways than the greens. Not plug on every shot soft but not firm-and-fast by any means. I would like to play the course with grass on the greens some time, they were having late-fall transition issues and most greens had patches of bare dirt making long putts a real crapshoot given the often severe contours.
Brent, the conditions were far better for us apparently.  I would hope you would give it another try. The greens were in excellent shape. Not to be the dead horse, but the condition was actually too good!

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Andy - Have you played Caledonia -- across the road?? Can you compare the two. I have just played Caledonia, but have wanted to play TB. Thanks!
Tony, I agree with what A.G. said.  It is hard to believe the same architect created two such different courses next door to each other on presumably the same land.  If you have the opportunity, I would certainly strongly urge you to play True Blue next time.  If you have played Tobacco Road, then you'll have a sense of what True Blue is like (though I confess to liking TR more). Unfortunately, my pictures fail utterly to capture the scale of True Blue, or the size of the landforms or the severity of the slopes of the greens.

Rob, nice meeting up with you out there, and sorry I only seemed to click the camera on your bad shots!  Thanks for the kind words--the key was I only brought the 6 clubs I can hit, and left the other 8 that I struggle with home  ;)
(and it was a 75..unfortunately, I never actually made any of those 14 putts!
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Michael Whitaker

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Re:Strantz's True Blue (with some pics)
« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2005, 11:53:38 AM »
Andy - Glad you enjoyed True Blue and Heathland... both are fun and interesting courses. There have been quite a few changes to True Blue since it first opened. Many of those changes were to open up sight lines and reduce the number of blind shots or hidden landing areas... just the kind of stuff you seem to like. Unfortunately, the changes were necessary for the course to be successful with the mass market. Most players on vacation chose the wrong tee for their ability and got hammered by the course. And, to make matters worse, TB marketing people advertised the course in combination with Caledonia as "Heaven and Hell." Who wants to play golf on a course that is billed as tough as "Hell?"

In any case, a LOT of players came off the course swearing that they would never come back... so many that the owners had no choice but to soften the hard edges and remarket the course as "Passion & Beauty." Quite a switch, but it has worked and now TB is one of the most successful courses on the Grand Strand.
"Solving the paradox of proportionality is the heart of golf architecture."  - Tom Doak (11/20/05)

A.G._Crockett

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Re:Strantz's True Blue (with some pics)
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2005, 12:21:03 PM »
Tee selection at True Blue is critical; the second set is still 6800, and very, very difficult.  A lot of players automatically go to the second set of tees without looking carefully at the card, or because of ego, and get killed without really understanding what just happened.  It is 6300 from the third set, and with Strantz greens, that's plenty of golf for 99% of the world.  Caledonia is only about 6500 from the tips, by contrast.
"Golf...is usually played with the outward appearance of great dignity.  It is, nevertheless, a game of considerable passion, either of the explosive type, or that which burns inwardly and sears the soul."      Bobby Jones

Brent Hutto

Re:Strantz's True Blue (with some pics)
« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2005, 01:03:56 PM »
There have been quite a few changes to True Blue since it first opened. Many of those changes were to open up sight lines and reduce the number of blind shots or hidden landing areas... just the kind of stuff you seem to like. Unfortunately, the changes were necessary for the course to be successful with the mass market. Most players on vacation chose the wrong tee for their ability and got hammered by the course. And, to make matters worse, TB marketing people advertised the course in combination with Caledonia as "Heaven and Hell." Who wants to play golf on a course that is billed as tough as "Hell?"

Of course I never saw it before the changes but I suspect I'd like it better as it is now. One of these days I'll make it down there for a 36-hole Caledonia+True Blue blowout day but that works better in summer than when I'm usually in MB after Thanksgiving. Surely the greens will be better, what I experienced wasn't really as much seasonal as just bad luck that particular season that particular year.

Mike, did you enjoy the course more in its original form? Or do you mean "unfortunately" as being unfortunate that they messed with Strantz's original vision of the course for commercial/marketing reasons? I think tee to green True Blue  is a treat as is and I'm certainly not one to think that easier (or less intimidating as the case may be) is always a letdown.

That said, there was nothing remotely hellish about it from 6,000-odd yards where I played it. From further back I would think it gets exponentially harder, especially if the greens were running fast making hitting the correct zone of some greens crucial. Like the Ocean Course (which I love), those big waste-area bunkers are so firm that the course is quite forgiving of seriously off-line tee shots by the weaker player as compared to courses with punitive rough in those spots. Hitting off of hard sand when you can ground your club makes for very easy recovery shots IMO.

Andy Hughes

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Re:Strantz's True Blue (with some pics)
« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2005, 03:10:19 PM »
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Tee selection at True Blue is critical; the second set is still 6800, and very, very difficult.  A lot of players automatically go to the second set of tees without looking carefully at the card, or because of ego, and get killed without really understanding what just happened.  It is 6300 from the third set, and with Strantz greens, that's plenty of golf for 99% of the world.  Caledonia is only about 6500 from the tips, by contrast.
Funny you should bring this up A.G.  We had a talk before we started about what tees to play. We discarded the back tees immediately, and then had to choose between 6800 and 6300. One seemed too long, the other too short, before we settled on 6800.  It didn't seem to play too long from that length as there weren't any super-long par 3s and no really long par 4s either.  Having 3 par 5s that play 600 yards adds to the length. I happened to drive the ball well all day and it's likely that has colored my view as well.
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Andy Hughes

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Re:Strantz's True Blue (with some pics)
« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2005, 03:15:57 PM »
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There have been quite a few changes to True Blue since it first opened. Many of those changes were to open up sight lines and reduce the number of blind shots or hidden landing areas... just the kind of stuff you seem to like. Unfortunately, the changes were necessary for the course to be successful with the mass market. Most players on vacation chose the wrong tee for their ability and got hammered by the course.
Mike, yup, sadly for me, that is the kind of thing I enjoy.  Is there a more thrilling opening tee shot than the one at Tobacco Road (as long as you clear the mountains!)?  I especially like the way Strantz used those types blind shots and how well he disguised how much fairway or green there really is.  There are, unfortunately, too few thrilling shots on the courses I play.

But I do understand the need for a course to make money, and of the changes were necessary to ensure the viability of the place then it makes sense.
Do you happen to recall where the major changes took place?
"Perhaps I'm incorrect..."--P. Mucci 6/7/2007

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