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Paul_Turner
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Which Course Has the Greatest Role Call?
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August 11, 2005, 12:37:48 AM »
My vote goes to Ganton, it's flipping enormous:
Dunn, Vardon, Ray, Taylor, Hilton, Mackenzie, Colt, Simpson, Braid, Hutchison, Cotton, Pennick.
Match that!
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TEPaul
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Re:Which Course Has the Greatest Role Call?
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August 11, 2005, 06:18:33 AM »
Don't forget the number of architects who claim some contribution to PVGC---and most claim it basically before the course was even finished. Crump, Colt, Macdonald, Travis, Wilson, Flynn, Thomas, Alison, Maxwell. Even Chick Evans claimed a hand in it. Later the name Fazio can be added (the right 8th green in the 1980s and some work done recently that's still continuing).
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Wayne_Kozun
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Re:Which Course Has the Greatest Role Call?
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August 11, 2005, 09:33:47 AM »
I believe Tillinghast claimed to have had some input into Pine Valley as well.
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George Pazin
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Re:Which Course Has the Greatest Role Call?
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August 11, 2005, 09:45:20 AM »
I can't remember the names, but doesn't Rye have a similar history to Ganton's?
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Mike Nuzzo
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Re:Which Course Has the Greatest Role Call?
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August 11, 2005, 09:48:49 AM »
Not trying to compete, but find this one quite admirable:
Ardsley Country Club - Ardsley on the Husdon - NY
Dunn, Tucker, Ross, MacKenzie, RTJ, Kay, Armstrong, Ken Dye
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wsmorrison
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Re:Which Course Has the Greatest Role Call?
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August 11, 2005, 09:59:14 AM »
Not the greatest, but a long role call exists at Gulph Mills GC
Donald Ross 1916, 1927
William Flynn 1925
Perry Maxwell 1934, 1937, 1938
Wayne Stiles 1940
A knucklehead named James McGovern 1947
William Gordon 1956, 1958
Robert Trent Jones 1966
Thomas Fazio 1992
Gil Hanse 2004
Pine Valley is the prototype American role call in my opinion. Unlike those others we are listing here, a majority of the members of the architect team at PVGC worked at the time of construction rather than making changes over the years.
The opposite end of the spectrum is a single architect making changes over many years (decades in some instances) such as Macdonald at NGLA, Ross at Pinehurst #2, Flynn at Merion, Lancaster and the Cascades.
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corey miller
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Re:Which Course Has the Greatest Role Call?
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August 11, 2005, 10:07:45 AM »
Sleepy Hollow NY
CB Macdonald
Tillinghast
RTJ
REES
Ken Dye renovation plan
30 green charimen each serving a two year term.
We should have stopped in 1935.
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TEPaul
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Re:Which Course Has the Greatest Role Call?
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August 11, 2005, 10:33:41 AM »
"I believe Tillinghast claimed to have had some input into Pine Valley as well."
Wayne:
Thanks, My God how could I have forgotten to include Tillinghast? He chronicled most of it too. I was just thinking today that there may not be a better chronicler of architecture in the entire history of the art form than Tillinghast. He wrote for one publication or another just about every week on something to do with architecture for decades.
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TEPaul
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August 11, 2005, 10:43:00 AM »
WayneM:
It's not just amazing that so many architects got involved in the creaton of PVGC but once they were done in the early 1920s the course was basically not touched again for about 65 years.
To me this makes it so ironic that a couple of guys on here went to such lengths to establish that PVGC minimized Harry Colt by glorifying George Crump. The fact that the club glorified Crump so, and always did, was probably the single greatest reason course was never really touched all those decades.
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