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Steve Curry

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Re:Hob Nob Hill GC
« Reply #25 on: February 13, 2005, 07:25:26 PM »
I found this history of Alfred Tull while searching for more information.  He sounds like he was involved with other architects.  Has a long list of work and it does include two courses as Tom P. said in Salisbury.  I think they must be one in the same though.

http://www.rockleigh.org/Recreation/Golf/Tull.htm

Steve
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Brad Klein

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Re:Hob Nob Hill GC
« Reply #26 on: February 13, 2005, 07:51:04 PM »
Warning. I had the pleasure (or burden of responsibility) of ushering Mr. Curry around the more respectable evening spots of Orlando last week during the GCSAA/GIS Show. Being a gentleman, Mr. Curry avoided the lowly "ballets" frequented by other New England superintendents. But he did "light up" at the famed Corona Cigar Bar at Sand Lake Blvd. and Dr. Phillips, where he found himself ensconsed in 3,000 square feet of premium cigars and a very cool bar - this at 11 p.m.+ Whereupon, with a glass of wine in one hand and a corona in the other, he started balthering (again) of this long lost Hob Nob Hill GC. Sounds like the stuff that animated the novel, "Scotand's Dream" just a few years ago. Let's hope it's equally worthy, and a little more real.

I live 35 miles from the proposed search site, as does Glen Rapoprt, so if the weekend in question is golf-able everyone is invited up here for a round at Wintonbury Hills or Wampanoag or whatever, apres the search party.
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Steve Curry

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Re:Hob Nob Hill GC
« Reply #27 on: February 14, 2005, 04:48:10 AM »
Brad,

That place was fabulous.  I had a great glass of wine and an excellent cigar.  I will be back there soon.

Sounds like a plan, now melt snow!

Steve
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Steve Curry

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Re:Hob Nob Hill GC
« Reply #28 on: August 12, 2005, 04:34:37 PM »
Tommy,
I found it.

Steve
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George_Bahto

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Re:Hob Nob Hill GC
« Reply #29 on: August 12, 2005, 04:44:14 PM »
you should call Jim Kennedy from Hotchkiss - he'd prob know something about it - it's in his backyard area
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Steve Curry

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Re:Hob Nob Hill GC
« Reply #30 on: August 12, 2005, 05:10:40 PM »
Hey George,

When the hell you coming this way??

Jim does know about it, he wrote something on it in a different thread.  More to follow.

Steve
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Steve Curry

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Re:Hob Nob Hill GC
« Reply #31 on: August 12, 2005, 05:17:37 PM »
Evidently, I'm tolf Fulton's wife had the lands deed changed such that the course could nevr be restored??  I am told its still quite intact as it has been grazed.  I still have not persued perrmission to walk the property.

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Jim_Kennedy

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Re:Hob Nob Hill GC
« Reply #32 on: August 12, 2005, 05:57:09 PM »
Hi George,
Looks like we're gettin two new dorms on the site where the tennis courts are/were. That means there will be a lot of dirt available to build up the low fairway on the ninth. Tim once again mentioned the idea last week.

Steve,
How are you? Tough weather up here, hah? Hope all is well at Berkshire. I'm going to try and get up there in Sept. I'll call you.

Great article on Hob Nob, I've never seen that before. The hill in the background is called Prospect Mountain. Kent's house is now owned by a local guy named Mike Ford. HobNob and Kent Fulton estate were one and the same. The property was divided into house lots of some size and there has been new construction there since 1991, the last terraserver photo I can find.    

A couple of our older members at Hotchkiss caddied there when they were kids. Gene Sarazen once came to play. His chauffeur acted as the caddie and Gene shot even par (according to Ken Weir, one of our members).
Kent Fulton let anyone from Salisbury play for free, it wasn't limited to just his friends. If he saw anyone take a divot and not replace it he barred the offender for life, no exceptions. He died around or just before WW11 and his widow let the course go fallow during this time. Some of the locals used to sneak up there and knock it around but that ended when the grasses grew too high. They (locals) then moved to the old Cedars course which was around 4 miles south in Lakeville. It too was left to grow over but the owners continued mowed everything to a couple of inches so as not to let brush take over. I've even knocked it around there a few times many years ago but the grass is field length now.

Call me at the shop (860-435-4400) one day and I'll tell you what we've been trying to do at the Hob Nob site.  
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Tommy_Naccarato

Re:Hob Nob Hill GC
« Reply #33 on: August 12, 2005, 06:17:13 PM »
Steve,
Excellent,
What's going on over there? Give me a call!

PICTURES!
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Tommy_Naccarato

Re:Hob Nob Hill GC
« Reply #34 on: August 12, 2005, 06:26:35 PM »
Jim,
Excellent stuff.

Do they have any old photos or anything from the course? That to me is just so remarkable about letting anyone from Salisbury play for free.

It's ironic, but when the Royal Palms/San Pedro Golf & CC, an old Billy Bell course, that was a victim of the Depression via misused bank funds was supposedly maintained several years by those who wanted to play it. Apparantely they used all of the same equipment to maintain it when it was a club up until the equipment was eventually stolen or vandalized by transients who even eventually burned the clubhouse down in the early 1950's. This was the course that was part of a subject of Daniel Wexler's Missing Links, and it's located a par 5 away from the southern most part of Donald Trump's Trump National of the West.

From all accounts and images I have found, Trump would have been bidding on it instead of that other Perry Dye disaster.
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Steve Curry

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Re:Hob Nob Hill GC
« Reply #35 on: August 13, 2005, 05:30:56 AM »
Jim,

How have you been?  One of these days I swear I am going to stop by.

Have you heard of the deed change?  Evidently there is material to be found at the Historical Society?  Do you know Ford?  Would he be receptive to having a bunch of golf nuts tour the course?  Can we buy all these houses out?

Going out to keep the grass alive.  :P

Steve
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Jim_Kennedy

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Re:Hob Nob Hill GC
« Reply #36 on: August 13, 2005, 08:47:26 AM »
Steve,
I IM'ed you.
The article said that the course was built "at that time" to help with employment in our area but I think a local story adds more color. Basically it goes that Kent Fulton tried to play Hotchkiss one day and was told he couldn't, that the course was being used by the (Hotchkiss)boys. He was so teed off that he left the shop cursing and decided to build his own course.
This was told to me by Ken Weir and Chuck Rossman, both caddies at HNH. Chuck has since passed away but Ken is still kicking.

* By the way, as you may know, we have a new NLE in our area. The private 9 hole course w/double greens that Stanley Peschel built for himself, with Stephen Kay, is kaput. The new owner of the property is turning it into a goat farm, no pun intended.
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Steve Curry

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Re:Hob Nob Hill GC
« Reply #37 on: August 13, 2005, 09:18:45 AM »
Jim,

I hear Boston Corners was going for houses??  Have you ever played the Wingdale course??  My contact in Taconic described it to me and it sounds interesting?

Steve
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George_Bahto

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Re:Hob Nob Hill GC
« Reply #38 on: August 13, 2005, 02:32:39 PM »
Jim & Steve:

man, I really want to get up there but:

* Google Maps doesn't even recognize the area  ;D

* Has the snow from last winter finally melted?   ;D

* I'd have to give up a visit to NGLA   ;D

* Jim, if you and I (neither of us exactly "slim") were in your proshop together hardly anyone else could come in    ;D

Jimmy, O really should come up aside from visiting you and Steve .....  I'm wanting to see your Hotchiss firm, fast and tan and brown .... bet it looks and plays really nice

great new, Jim, abou getting dirt!!

perhaps week after next will come up, stay over and see both of you (wife pacification week next week - hah - have to suffer down at Hilton Head (where it really is hot!!)

gb
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Jim_Kennedy

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Re:Hob Nob Hill GC
« Reply #39 on: August 13, 2005, 03:05:39 PM »
George,
A skinny blond could squeeze in the shop with us  :o

If you want to see HNH ca. 1991 go to www.terraserver.microsoft.com and put in -73.42899 in the longitude box and 42.00569 in the latitude box.

It's definitely brown with a capital B up here right now. The golf ball has a mind of it's own.

Bring your sticks with you when you come and maybe we can knock it around together. I can get out of here on Mondays or Fridays if I know ahead.

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