Mike,
Did you drive through Ashland and Frackville? That's where my family is from (both on Rt. 61). Knoebels is a great place, and right near the (your) birdie factory: Three Ponds.
I know the Wetzel family, and you're right, it's a father son relationship, but I think it's the other way around.
As for old Herman frustrating David Gordon, that's hilarious. At least they have a good design up there now. Now they need some better conditioned greens.
Kyle,
Yep, right up 61 to 54.
As far as Rolling Green, if you're sure of the names let me know so I can update my records. Someday, somewhere, someone will find my listings and seriously wonder about some guy who had too much time on his hands!
Seriously, I'd like to know if it was Ralph or Mike.
Re: Mountain Valley, I remember having an email conversation with David Gordon who told me the story about how this guy was impossible to work with and that he only one other time walked off the job (Limerick GC, but that was near the end of construction), and how frustrated he became.
I only played it back about 15 years ago when it was 18 holes and to put it mildly, it was not very good. To think that it's now a 27 hole layout that garnered **** in the Golf Digest "Places to Play is pretty unimaginable, especially given the severe site.
Did you say that Dan Schlegel, when he was with Ault/Clark did he work on the new nine and revisions on the old?