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jeffwarne

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Re: A Green TOC for the Open ?
« Reply #50 on: July 13, 2010, 05:04:58 PM »
A little more up to date evidence, m'Lud...



















So I'm extolling the virtues of links golf to my 10 year old son,and after answering the oblgatory "what's links golf?" question, I pointed out the fourth photo in this thread.
He asked-"How do you get out?"  (of the bunker)
I gave him a very detailed answer of how you strategically try to avoid them and if in one you simply take your medicine and blast a sand wedge out,,,,
he stops me and says--" I know that but HOW DO YOU GET OUT? ;D ;D
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Brian Phillips

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Re: A Green TOC for the Open ?
« Reply #51 on: July 13, 2010, 05:33:39 PM »
But to go back to the original point, TOC is a lot greener than other links courses in the same area.

And Mark, I can assure you we have had one of the driest summers for years .
Brian,

Those pictures look no different to all the years that I have visited TOC and St. Andrews.  As Tom Doak mentioned with the number of rounds that course has to handle they have to water it more than any other course in the area.  Royal Liverpool is private...TOC is public, before and after The Open.

Looks to me like the Greenkeeping staff are doing a wonderful job.
Bunkers, if they be good bunkers, and bunkers of strong character, refuse to be disregarded, and insist on asserting themselves; they do not mind being avoided, but they decline to be ignored - John Low Concerning Golf

Marty Bonnar

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Re: A Green TOC for the Open ?
« Reply #52 on: July 13, 2010, 05:48:31 PM »
Brian(P),
In ALL THE YEARS (42-ish) I have been visiting TOC, this is the most-uniformly green I have ever seen it!
Seriously, there's not one single even slightly 'burnt' mound-top and none of those slightly lusher green hollows which help to accentuate them. There is a real singularity of colour which I have never seen AT THIS TIME OF YEAR.
I walked past Gorcon Moir yesterday and am now annoyed I didn't speak with him. He was kinda buy at the time! How I wish he or Gordon McKie would post here.
luv,
FBD.
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Brian_Ewen

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Re: A Green TOC for the Open ?
« Reply #53 on: July 13, 2010, 06:10:38 PM »
Brian
I am quite sure the greenkeeping staff are doing a wonderful job .

I just think the R&A talk a good game !

Adrian_Stiff

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Re: A Green TOC for the Open ?
« Reply #54 on: July 13, 2010, 06:46:05 PM »
I agree with Brian Philips, it looks great to me... yes its green but its a pale green!
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Bryan Izatt

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Re: A Green TOC for the Open ?
« Reply #55 on: July 13, 2010, 07:38:06 PM »
I was at TOC last Saturday, walking around on the course, while in transit from North Berwick to Carnoustie.  Apart from Rory McIlroy, Padraig Harrington, and Henrik Stenson, it was pretty much deserted.  On that day it was cold and raining for the whole day.  As a sidelight, McIlroy was changing out of his rain gear at the boot of a VW Polo in the public parking lot next to where my car was parked.  So much for the the high life of the tour stars.

Anyway, the course was green, but not like North American green, and certainly not lush in the North American sense.  The ground felt firm even in the rain and dampness.  The road hole bunker was pristine - it certainly has been rebuilt in the last month.  The sod walls were perfect - a work of art.  The surrounds were new grass, but still sparse like all the links courses.  The first and 18th fairways still had dirt filled divots where no grass had filled in, even without play over the last month.  The grass over here just doesn't grow all that fast.  Dornoch and North Berwick are playing firm and fast, but are still green in the low lying areas where rain water collects.

I followed Rory while he played 17 and 18.  Seventeen he hit two drivers; one a fade and one a draw.  The fade caught the left side of the fairway leaving him 200 into the green.  The draw was in the hay.  The angles off the new tee are still the same.  The line is not over the hotel proper.  He hit 4 iron in to about 15 feet to a right pin position.  Missed the putt.  On 18 into a light breeze he hit another fade off a parked car into the middle of the fairway and then a second one directly to the same place as the first ended up.  Surprisingly they were only about 30 yards past Granny Clarke's Wynd.  He flew his second onto the green and it didn't spin much.

Harrington came off the practice ground and teed off number 2.  His first drive was a fade into the gorse.  The second was striped. Nice to have a caddy flip you another ball until you get it right.




Adam Lawrence

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Re: A Green TOC for the Open ?
« Reply #56 on: July 14, 2010, 01:49:54 AM »
I got here yesterday afternoon and while the course didn't strole me a particularly lush colour I was very surprised to see a bunch of approach shots to the eighteenth screwing back dramatically when they hit the green. OK, they were wedge shots, but still...

With regard to the argument that the level of traffic compels them to water more, doesn't this ignore the fact that the course has been closed for a month, and they've been watering during that period?
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jeffwarne

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Re: A Green TOC for the Open ?
« Reply #57 on: July 14, 2010, 07:47:37 AM »
I got here yesterday afternoon and while the course didn't strole me a particularly lush colour I was very surprised to see a bunch of approach shots to the eighteenth screwing back dramatically when they hit the green. OK, they were wedge shots, but still...

With regard to the argument that the level of traffic compels them to water more, doesn't this ignore the fact that the course has been closed for a month, and they've been watering during that period?


has there always beenthat much rough between fairways of the parallel holes sharing double greens
or is it just more noticeable due to its' definition?
"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey