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redanman

Take All Patch Disease (Now with photographs)
« on: July 21, 2005, 07:50:42 AM »
All you supers out there, I need your help.

Tell me about this disease. "Take All Patch" Disease.
« Last Edit: February 22, 2007, 03:42:22 PM by W.Vostinak »

cary lichtenstein

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Re:Take All Patch Disease
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2005, 07:58:36 AM »
Bill:

You're hogging all the space with your new name, you got 4 lines. If you lengthened your name a little bit, you'll have the whole first page ;D

Q
Live Jupiter, Fl, was  4 handicap, played top 100 US, top 75 World. Great memories, no longer play, 4 back surgeries. I don't miss a lot of things about golf, life is simpler with out it. I miss my 60 degree wedge shots, don't miss nasty weather, icing, back spasms. Last course I played was Augusta

Stuart Hallett

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Re:Take All Patch Disease
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2005, 08:37:24 AM »
Are you absolutely sure it's 'Take All' ?
I've only seen this disease on fairly new, sand based greens.

Where is the golf course ?
What is the irrigation water like (Ph levels) ?
Do you have an soil analysis ?

I'd be very interested to see photos as I've come across 'Take All' on a few occasions. The disease can be very destructive and is cyclic, thus requiring a proactive approach.


Stuart Hallett

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Re:Take All Patch Disease
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2005, 08:39:21 AM »
An e-mail may help.

stuarthallett@wanadoo.fr

Donnie Beck

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Re:Take All Patch Disease
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2005, 08:45:14 AM »
I have heard a comfirmed report of take all patch on a 100 year old course this season, so anything is possible.

cary lichtenstein

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Re:Take All Patch Disease
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2005, 09:39:46 AM »
I like the registered r. How did you do that???????????

especially for Q, l liked that too

Q
Live Jupiter, Fl, was  4 handicap, played top 100 US, top 75 World. Great memories, no longer play, 4 back surgeries. I don't miss a lot of things about golf, life is simpler with out it. I miss my 60 degree wedge shots, don't miss nasty weather, icing, back spasms. Last course I played was Augusta

RJ_Daley

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Re:Take All Patch Disease
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2005, 10:34:23 AM »
Just one question.  You are declaring the damage to be "take-all patch disease".  Who made the diagnosis, Dr.?  The cultural conditions you describe sounds like it could as easily been pythium blight.  That occurs rapidly.  There are innoculants for pith.  

It sounds like poorly draining soil.  The key is what the fertility and ph were.  Too much nitrogen would lead to pith.  Too little might be fusarium patch.  Because of the recent heat, non aerated, and the member guest stress and possible infection from golfer's shoes, I'm guessing that take-all may be a wrong diagnosis, and pith might be in play.

But, why are we second guessing?  Shit happens...
No actual golf rounds were ruined or delayed, nor golf rules broken, in the taking of any photographs that may be displayed by the above forum user.

Steve Curry

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Re:Take All Patch Disease
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2005, 10:36:43 AM »
Bill,

I had a bout with TA a few years ago, some program modifications have cleared up the disease.

I know of a number of courses that are dealing with a wide spread issue with this and the perception that it is only found on newer turf stands has passed.

Steve

Sean Remington (SBR)

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Re:Take All Patch Disease
« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2005, 10:52:42 AM »
  The last few weeks have been very tough on golf courses in the Philadelphia area. Locally heavy downpours dumped nearly 7" of rain on my course from Friday - Sunday past. This moisture coupled with high temperatures and Very high humidity caused Brown Patch and Pythium disease outbreaks in any area water was running or sitting even though preventative fungicides were appled 5 days prior. The greens benefited from a fungicide application the Friday morning, before the first 2" producing thunderstorm.
   I'm not suprised to hear of problems out there. Most of the country is having unusual weather extremes of one kind or another. I heard that Take All Patch is showing up in uncharacteristic places. I have also heard about something called Mad Tillering that is causing some very weird situations. About now I think most Golf Course Superintendents are just holding on, looking for a break of some kind and are thinking that September can't get here soon enough.

Mike_Cirba

Re:Take All Patch Disease
« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2005, 10:53:50 AM »
redanman,

I thought this title was like the old Henny Youngman joke, "Take All Patch Disease.....Please"  ;)

Anthony_Nysse

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Re:Take All Patch Disease (Now with photographs)
« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2005, 07:44:34 PM »
Any idea as to what fungicide preventative program they were on? What have they been spraying? Prostar, Heritage, Signature/Fore, Insignia, etc...is there are prevent program in place?

Tony Nysse
Asst. Supt.
Long Cove Club
HHI, SC
Anthony J. Nysse
Director of Golf Courses & Grounds
Apogee Club
Hobe Sound, FL

Don_Mahaffey

Re:Take All Patch Disease (Now with photographs)
« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2005, 01:12:01 PM »
I haven't dealt with take all for a few years, but if I remember correctly it is next to impossible to cure once it is active. I believe applications of fungicide need to be done in the fall and spring as a preventative for outbreaks in summer. If it pops up now and a course hasn't experienced it before, it's tough to do much about the disease until prevetative applications can be made for next year. You guys that have more recent experinece with this nasty disease please correct me if I'm wrong.

Pat Brockwell

Re:Take All Patch Disease (Now with photographs)
« Reply #12 on: July 23, 2005, 03:37:51 PM »
Those photos look more like a poor soil condition than an actual pathogen.  A saprophyte (decomposing fungus) may not actually attack the turf plant but can affect the soil and present a fungal pattern.  Try something simple like arification and wetting agent,  There is some new chemistry ( Helena's Reservoir, 5#/1000 @$1/#, $50 for a 10,000 sq ft green) in wetting agents that work as flocculators (sp?) and help create pore space rather than affect the surface tension of the water.  Remember the disease triangle.  Pathogen, Host, Environment.  The pathogens are ubiqutous, can't really change that.  The only way to affect the host is to replant with a resistant variety, I doubt if changing out the green is a viable option. Environment though, now we can do something!  Change your ways, one at a time, and see what happens. Good luck.

Craig Sweet

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Re:Take All Patch Disease (Now with photographs)
« Reply #13 on: July 23, 2005, 07:20:28 PM »
I'm just a rookie at this but it sure looked like a lot of organic matter in the soil profile in those holes...like way more than is healthy.

I would concur with Pat Brockwell, it looks like poor soil conditions have led to some problems.
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