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Steve_ Shaffer

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Southern Dunes, Phoenix, AZ
« on: July 21, 2005, 08:17:45 PM »
In light of the recent thread about desert golf, here's a course which merits some attention.

Has anyone played there?This Schmidt-Curley design, with some help from Fred Couples, is hosting this years AZ Open. Opened as a men only club a few years ago, it has slipped under the national radar for architecture buffs. It now has an open membership. I haven't seen a review until now and have not played there yet.

www.southerndunesgc.com

 Here are some excerpts from the article in today's Arizona Republic by John Davis:

Amateur won't be day at beach
Players face challenge of Dunes' sand

John Davis
The Arizona Republic
Jul. 21, 2005 12:00 AM

Golfers playing in next week's Arizona Amateur Championship will find a different and difficult challenge when the event is played for the first time at Southern Dunes Golf Club in Maricopa.

The private club, designed by Valley architects Brian Curley and Lee Schmidt in conjunction with PGA Tour player Fred Couples, is reminiscent of Australian Sandbelt layouts, and "sand" is the prominent theme.

Southern Dunes features 80 bunkers, which isn't an unusually high number, but many of them are massive, covering a combined 12 acres of land, about quadruple the normal amount for that many bunkers.
 
 
"I think it might be the only course of its type in Arizona, so it definitely will provide a different setting than golfers are used to seeing for one of our championships," Ed Gowan, executive director of the Arizona Golf Association, said.

"It was a unique approach they took with the design, and I think they might be onto something because it works really well in the desert. It has a bigness to it like some of the old courses back in the East and Midwest that had unlimited land available when they were built."

Avoiding the endless bunkers will be difficult, and that becomes a greater challenge if the wind blows as it commonly does on the wide-open layout that is devoid of structures.

"There are no buildings around and virtually no trees, so that definitely brings the wind into play," five-time Amateur champion Ken Kellaney said. "They can stretch it out and make it play pretty long, too.

"It's always tough in the state amateur, and I'm sure this year won't be any different."

From the tips, the course can be stretched to 7,500 yards, and approach shots over bunkers to tiered, undulating greens are no bargain either.

When the Grey Goose Gateway Tour played an event at Southern Dunes this year, the average score during one round was 78. Ironically, Brian Kontak set the competitive course record of 66 the same day, so it offers birdie opportunities and fairways ample enough to satisfy long hitters.

When it opened three years ago, Southern Dunes had a male-only membership policy, but it no longer has any gender restrictions. The club has 242 members, including tour player Mark Calcavecchia, who holds the non-competitive course record of 64.
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Tommy_Naccarato

Re:Southern Dunes, Phoenix, AZ
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2005, 08:29:21 PM »
Steve,
Talking with Brian Curley, it sounds to be a most interesting place and one to keep on eye as the valley grows. I was going to try to make it out there the last time I was going to be there, but then had to cancel. Next time though!

Schmidt & Curley don't get nearly enough press around here.

Matt_Ward

Re:Southern Dunes, Phoenix, AZ
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2005, 08:36:03 PM »
Steve:

I had the opportunity to play the course about two years ago and frankly the Schmidt / Curley layout (I believe Fred Couples consulted) is more noted for the gender issue (at that time) than for the layout.

The land is basically flat (see offsite property) and the existing land was graded so that you get plenty of man-made type shaping.

On a few of the holes it works quite well but for the most part I don't see how the course holds up as being something of distinction. There's nothing really out of the ordinary particularly when compared with what Nicklaus did at Outlaw or Mickelson / Stephenson did with Whisper Rock.

Keep in mind the "sink or swim" tee shot mentality you see with so many Scottsdale area desert courses is not the issue here at Southern Dunes. The off-fairway areas do allow for advancement of the ball without a cholla bush standing in your way.

The course will tend to favor long hitters because Curley & Schmidt have provided for plenty of room for the big stick. I liked the course but frankly there's more of quality in the Valley of the Sun than what you will find in Maricopa.

Smokey_Pot_Bunker

Re:Southern Dunes, Phoenix, AZ
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2005, 10:45:44 PM »
When I lived in the PHX area I got to play this course a good number of times thanks to a good friend.

Yes they moved alot of dirt in order to create this course but IMHO it does not give off the look of manufactured mounding the whole setting seems to fit pretty well.

It plays very well and there are a number of holes that are a challenge regardless of length.

Playing from the back tees the holes I liked the most were 2,6,12,14,16 and 17.

The greens sit a difficult angles of play if you don't find the right spot for your approach shot and the greenside bunkers sit close to the surface making iron accuracy the premium at this course.  It is generous of the tee which is a nice change of pace for the desert and I would recommend it to anyone who has the chance to play it.