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Jason Topp

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Wilderness at Fortune Bay
« on: July 05, 2005, 06:53:16 AM »
    I played this new Jeff Brauer course over the weekend for the the first time. www.thewildernessgolf.com/newpage.asp?id=130&page=1980

   Because I was hosting a friend from Holland who had only played one 18 hole round in his life (apparently you need to get a license to play golf there - something he has not had time to do), I spent most of my time focusing on getting him around the golf course rather than the design.

   Despite the limitations on my ability to focus on the course, I really enjoyed it.  

    The best features of the course are the greens, which contain very bold slopes between levels, but rather flat areas if one is on the correct level.  In particular, I really enjoyed a biarritz green on the 5th, which features a 5 foot swale in the middle of the green with some back to front slope in the rear part of the back level to hold a running shot to the green.  The pin was just beyond the swale on the back level and it was great fun to play a (not particularly good) low running shot that left me fifteen feet for birdie while another member of our group hit a high shot that landed just short of the pin and rolled back, leaving an almost impossible two putt.

   Many of the fairways feature rock outcroppings diagonal to the line of play with real choices to be made be made between the two alternate fairways.  

  In addition there were some short par fives with big, imaginative greens where one makes the choice between going at the pin with the second, going for the wide side to leave green to work with or laying up for a wedge.  

  My friend was able to maneuver around the course just fine from the forward tees and had the time of his life.  For him, the big adventures were the carries over water to the par threes which were generally under a hundred yards.  He made it every time.  

  I highly recommend a trip that includes Northland in Duluth, Giants Ridge and the Wilderness for anyone looking for a weekend trip.  Duluth and Ely are interesting places to stay.  Ely is the launching point for many boundary waters canoe trips and features an interesting mix of traditional northwoods fisherman (and women) as well as a healthy mix of granola backpackers.  We also found out yesterday, it has a wonderful (and wonderfully short) traditional fourth of july parade featuring all of the different perspectives from locals in the area.

  Duluth is a beautiful port city at the tip of Lake Superior which feels like the Atlantic coastline without as many people.

  The area is spactacular in September.
« Last Edit: July 05, 2005, 06:54:06 AM by Jason Topp »

Jeff_Brauer

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Re:Wilderness at Fortune Bay
« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2005, 08:15:54 AM »
Jason,

Glad you enjoyed the course, and the area.  When I go up there, I make sure to make time for Ely (and the timberwolf musuem) and the Bear Preserve, where they feed bears right under a platform.  I also enjoy the old mines.

The Bois Forte Band asked that we design the Wilderness to be midway in difficulty to the two Giants Ridge couress, and I think we suceeded.  As you say, with lots of room, options, and fw chipping areas, the course is negotiable by all, but not a pushover for good players.  Add in a few unique holes, like the Biarritz green and I think its a fun destination resort.
Jeff Brauer, ASGCA Director of Outreach

Brad Klein

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Re:Wilderness at Fortune Bay
« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2005, 08:29:40 AM »
Jeff Brauer, man about town, is too modest to hype his favorite cuisine up there - about 10 of his beloved White Castle Sliders. Also gotta love the obligatory drive-by of the one gas station that Frank Lloyd Wright ever did. You won't find a Wall Street Journal in the area (we tried, on a Friday, just for the crossword puzzle, to no avail), but at Wilderness at Fortune Bay you will find a wonderful golf course with lots of playing width, interesting greens, and dramatically sweeping land.
« Last Edit: July 05, 2005, 08:30:25 AM by Brad Klein »

PThomas

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Re:Wilderness at Fortune Bay
« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2005, 10:07:59 AM »
anybody that likes White Castles is okay with me...just had 4 double cheeseburgers from there a few days ago! :D

199 played, only Augusta National left to play!

Jeff_Brauer

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Re:Wilderness at Fortune Bay
« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2005, 08:37:13 PM »
Brad,

I only ate eight!  I think I have gained 20 lbs since they opened a Krystals near one of my projects.......
Jeff Brauer, ASGCA Director of Outreach

Brad Klein

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Re:Wilderness at Fortune Bay
« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2005, 08:40:04 PM »
Actually, you bought 10, offered to split them, and you had 7 while I had three - about two too many.

Jeff_Brauer

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Re:Wilderness at Fortune Bay
« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2005, 08:45:56 PM »
Well, I'm a concept guy. I leave the details, like counting, to others!  I know we have some topic drift, but this discussion is REALLY elevating the bar on this board, no? ::)
Jeff Brauer, ASGCA Director of Outreach

PThomas

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Re:Wilderness at Fortune Bay
« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2005, 09:03:48 PM »
Brad too!  way to go!

and Jeff, eating 8 of them, THAT's impressive......
199 played, only Augusta National left to play!

Andrew Cunningham

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Re:Wilderness at Fortune Bay
« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2005, 09:28:57 PM »
The pictures on their website look great!  Reminds me a lot of the Muskoka area courses here in Ontario.  Jeff, I'm curious how you got this job?  Were you cold calling along the Canadian border, did you have to "bid" on this project, or was it a referral?  It's probably none of my business but the economics of the golf industry just fascinate me.  The ROI never seems to justify the cost but I can't stop thinking about building a course.

Thanks,


Andrew
« Last Edit: July 05, 2005, 09:30:09 PM by Andrew "Sales_Guru" Cunningham »

Jeff_Brauer

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Re:Wilderness at Fortune Bay
« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2005, 10:44:00 PM »
Guru,

The Bois Forte Band interviewed three of us, with my connection having had done the nearby and successful Giants Ridge.   The other two had Minnesota connections.  They simply liked my course best of the ones they played.

The ROI for this project was to hopefully fill more of their hotel rooms and diversify their clientele. Their casino is doing well, so while they want to make money, they can withstand losses better than most.  Most golf courses can cover three of the four major cost categories - ops cost, debt on construction cost, debt on land cost, and profit.  If you get free land, subisdized construction cost (think housing) or are willing to forego profit, they can makessense financially.

Jeff Brauer, ASGCA Director of Outreach

John_Conley

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Re:Wilderness at Fortune Bay
« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2005, 12:03:31 AM »
Brad:

The Frank Lloyd Wright filling station can only mean one thing - Cloquet.  Ooh-ooh that smell.  The original nine, I've been told it is now 18, at Cloquet is great fun.  A little wacky, but terrific small town golf.

I still won't get to see Jeff's work this summer, but I do have a trip planned to Brainerd.  Hopefully 2006 will get me to the beautiful Aurora-Hoyt Lakes-Tower-Soudan-Biwabik area.  (That actually was the name of the merged school before the recognized the insanity and changed it to Mesabi East.)

Mike_Cirba

Re:Wilderness at Fortune Bay
« Reply #11 on: July 06, 2005, 12:25:16 AM »
Brad:

The Frank Lloyd Wright filling station can only mean one thing - Cloquet.  Ooh-ooh that smell.  The original nine, I've been told it is now 18, at Cloquet is great fun.  A little wacky, but terrific small town golf.

I still won't get to see Jeff's work this summer, but I do have a trip planned to Brainerd.  Hopefully 2006 will get me to the beautiful Aurora-Hoyt Lakes-Tower-Soudan-Biwabik area.  (That actually was the name of the merged school before the recognized the insanity and changed it to Mesabi East.)


John,

The "sanity" of Mesabi East?  

It sounds like a port of call in the United Arab Emirates.  ;D

RJ_Daley

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Re:Wilderness at Fortune Bay
« Reply #12 on: July 06, 2005, 12:44:46 AM »
I have a theory that Brauer has a guilt complex about the North Stars moving to D.  So, he is paying back the great State of Minnesota with his golf design accumen.  Hey Jeff, any truth to the rumor that your switching allegiance to the Wild now that you're practically adopted up there?
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Jeff Shelman

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Re:Wilderness at Fortune Bay
« Reply #13 on: July 06, 2005, 01:17:44 AM »
I do like your theory Dick.

About The Wilderness: I played it last summer and really, really enjoyed it. I played a Quarry/Wilderness 36-hole day and liked both courses and might have liked Wilderness just a small bit better. Maybe it's because you don't have to think quite as much, maybe it's because it's a little easier.

Whatever the reason, both courses are really wonderful. For someone in the Midwest who wants a very reasonable costing weekend of golf, NE Minnesota is a very good choice. I like both Giants Ridge courses and The Wilderness and Northland Country Club in Duluth is one of my favorite few courses in the state.

Pete Buczkowski

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Re:Wilderness at Fortune Bay
« Reply #14 on: July 06, 2005, 07:06:30 AM »
Jason,

You beat me to it.  ;)  I really enjoyed the Wilderness and would split my Iron Range rounds up 3-3 between Quarry and Wilderness, though I can't figure out the tee shot on #1.  The risky shot is left off the tee but then you have a more difficult second to set up the approach.  I have some photos that I'll try to post in the next day or so.  

Pete

Jason Topp

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Re:Wilderness at Fortune Bay
« Reply #15 on: July 06, 2005, 10:42:28 AM »
Pete -

I was hoping this would prompt your pictures.