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Tony_Muldoon

Television having too much influence on Golf?
« on: July 03, 2005, 05:13:31 AM »
Television is often mentioned on here but I can’t remember a thread where people have debated the overall influence TV has on our sport.  Maybe some of the thoughts below are off target and maybe there are better explanations for some of these points but I believe TV has a huge influence on the game and it’s not always properly understood.  One way or another TV is not going to go away, and undoubtedly it would be a bad thing (IMHO) if it lost interest in golf altogether.

What influence does it have on today’s and tomorrow’s golf?

For TV

1  Shows us people and places we might never otherwise see.

2 Presents golf in a good light.  Youthful and skilful not just an old snob’s game. Tiger etc

3  Hey it’s entertaining, the Open two weeks time!

4 Undoubtedly it does raise the profile and the number of people playing golf and that has to be a good thing.

5  It records great moments of future history.

6  It shows us tournaments and shots that we couldn't otherwise be at

Against

The money poured into the game.  What the positive benefit of this is I’m not sure, however.

1 In the recent postings on the SI roundtable discussion people kept commenting on how all parties had their hidden agenda. What they didn’t say was that David Fay and Brad Faxton simply could not be seen to agree with Geoff Shackleford because this year they are renegotiating the TV deal and everything in Golf has to be seen in the best possible light.  The need for short term TV revenues thus leads to massive lying/ignorance at the top of the game's structure and the implications of this were clearly discussed on the other thread.

2  Arnie and others think that a lot of the guys on tour don’t try hard enough to win because there are guys out there who have never won a tour event with more in their bank than I will ever earn in a lifetime.  i.e. the money reduces competition and the striving for excellence that is the whole point of sport.

3  Water on courses.  This is a big topic discussed here many times, but it’s clear that the water hazard is a bonus in TV terms. A splash is easy to show and dramatic!  Is TV influencing the choice of courses?  The more tour events are shown with water holes the more new courses will feature them – it’s what the public will demand as ’real’ golf courses - there will be even less diversity in future.

4  Gives a one dimensional idea of golf i.e. doesn’t show the skill levels and shot making ability of the top players.  Bomb it and wedge it works fine for the TV producer.

Other trends.

1  Matchplay is being frozen out.  It works brilliantly when you can guarantee the top names play each other e.g. Ryder Cup. But who can remember who beat Anika yesterday?  For the TV audience is that tournament now over?


2  Today’s championship course set up with a fast green as the primary defence is another GCA truism.  As well as the history/maintenance arguments is this because TV companies like to see narrow fairways and lots of putts- that’s how the game fits the square  tube?  Again it’s clear what influence this will have on the type of course being built to allow people to play courses ‘just like on TV’.  Certainly the Masters effect on greens committees is well known and it’s not because the Chairman has just been to the real place and talked to their super.

Disqualified from discussion on this thread because it’s a GCA given and not the most important influence.

1    People copy the bad habits of the pro golfers they see on TV.


Am I generalising too much?   If TV is influencing golf we need to analyse how and what that will mean in the future.
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« Last Edit: July 03, 2005, 09:25:20 AM by Tony Muldoon »
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David Sneddon

Re:Televison having too much influence on Golf?
« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2005, 08:08:49 AM »
Good topic Tony.  Just a couple of comments


3  Water on courses.  This is a big topic discussed here many times, but it’s clear that the water hazard is a bonus in TV terms. A splash is easy to show and dramatic!  Is TV influencing the choice of courses?  The more tour events are shown with water holes the more new courses will feature them – it’s what the public will demand as ’real’ golf courses - there will be even less diversity in future.

1  Matchplay is being frozen out.  It works brilliantly when you can guarantee the top names play each other e.g. Ryder Cup. But who can remember who beat Anika yesterday?  For the TV audience is that tournament now over?
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I've noticed that it seems now to be almost a given that #18 on most of the TOUR courses is either a dogleg left or right acorss water, which runs the length of the hole.
No doubt a challenging hole - but they all look the same after a while.

I don't think Match-play makes the transition to TV very well at all.  The golf devotee will watch anything golf, but that audience is always taken for granted by the broadcaster.  Holding on to the occasional fan and widening the audience is their goal, and match-play - especially the finals - is only an opportunity for more  repeat advertising, more garbage out of ther mouths of the talking heads, and Joe Sixpack switching to the channel broadcasting NASCAR.  As with most things these days - follow the money.
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Tony_Muldoon

Re:Televison having too much influence on Golf?
« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2005, 08:25:30 AM »
Exactly. At the K club they've gone one stage further.  for Tournaments they play the normal course in the following order, 10-17, 9, 1-8, 18.

Why?  Because it gives them 3 water holes as the finishing stretch. It really doesn't add much to the walking between holes so if it makes a 'better' routing why not make it permanent.  Arguably it doesn't, it just produces exciting finishes, particulary on TV.  7 and 8 lose a lot of spectator space to the river so it's not ideal for the crowds following on course.
« Last Edit: July 03, 2005, 09:17:38 AM by Tony Muldoon »
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Willie_Dow

Re:Televison having too much influence on Golf?
« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2005, 09:08:39 AM »
As Carlyle Rood suggested last week, the Open at Pinehurst was unwatchable because of the big crowd.
This leads me to believe that TV coverage, with a limit on attendance - and a tent village with hole by hole TV, closed circuitry for the masses buying tickets to be at the Open - is the way to go for a future event.
Maybe it would allow the course to be set up with various approach angles too, rather than the narrow corridors which have existed for too long.

RJ_Daley

Re:Television having too much influence on Golf?
« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2005, 09:47:30 AM »
Tony, very thoughtful and keen observations.  I think we are subject to all of the positive and negative influences that you list simply because TV is what it is, and must generate significant money/ratings to stay on the air.  If it were on Public Broadcast Networks, with patrons rather than sponsors, perhaps it might take on a different presentation and different set of priorities as to what the broadcasts present.

About the only thing that might counter some of these negative influences of presenting courses that are not in a more strategic and natural or realistic maintenance meld is to feature great older courses in Shell WWOG formats of matches.  I don't think that can be done on regular broadcast TV and can only survive on cable-Golf Channel productions.  Then, perhaps they could take their time presenting it, and go into detail on golf hole design and how the players negotiate course strategy.  Then, they can speak more to the history and intentions of how courses were meant to be presented and played.
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Willie_Dow

Re:Television having too much influence on Golf?
« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2005, 09:59:30 PM »
Redanman - again and again, too much emphasis on the person on TV, and not the exposure to the golf course - its charcter, who designed its holes,  its routing, what the conditions are today vs tomorrow vs the weather vs the speed of greens vs the slope of the greens vs the change of wind direction, and its effect on the playability of the hole.  In general: poor coverage for the game.

RJ_Daley

Re:Television having too much influence on Golf?
« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2005, 09:36:37 AM »
I think all this goes to say that the general public definitely are not like us on GCA.  Most TV viewers think the golfers are themain attraction, while we still are obsessed enough to think the golf courses are the stars. ::) ;D
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Tony_Muldoon

Re:Television having too much influence on Golf?
« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2005, 10:24:55 AM »
Televison does get fixated on personality - see what used to be called politics.

I read somewhere that American Express used to use Pete Dye in their adverts as the man golfers love to hate.  Without big personalities does that mean no Architecture on TV?  At the moment in Britain we have a advert for homes in Spain where Jack Niclaus keeps pestering the potential new owner to come out an play on 'his' golf course.  It's not at all enlightening and incredibly boring how often they show it!  Presumably RTJ was born to early and Fazio hasn't got the right personality.
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John Keenan

Re:Television having too much influence on Golf?
« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2005, 10:47:10 AM »
The impact of TV on sports I give you "The TV Time Out"

Could there be a TV Time for golf?  
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