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Patrick_Mucci

GCA.com'ers aren't what they want you to think they are.
« on: June 29, 2005, 03:03:35 PM »
For example:

If you traveled thousands of miles to go to SAND HILLS.

Would you play golf or WATCH the Women's Open on TV ?

I played golf.

If you traveled thousands of miles to go to SAND HILLS.

Would you play golf or ride around in a pickup truck looking for all 112 of the golf holes that Coore & Crenshaw rejected ?

I played golf.

I'll let the others speak for themselves.

THuckaby2

Re:GCA.com'ers aren't what they want you to think they are.
« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2005, 03:07:28 PM »
Dammit Pat, I asked for something to DISagree with.

You'll note what I did in each circumstance.  I'm with you, brother.

And hell, Sweeney and I could have likely gotten in another nine holes one afternoon had we not come up behind the slowest match in the history of golf... I'll let the participants identify themselves... but word is some rather incredible laws of physics-defying putts were holed during such match....

 ;)


wsmorrison

Re:GCA.com'ers aren't what they want you to think they are.
« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2005, 03:08:18 PM »
Pat,

Are you trying to say, among other things, that Tom Paul's strenuous off-season conditioning program didn't allow him to play all the golf you and some of the others did?  

Maybe the late nights with red wine and the early wakeup to beat the maintenance crew to the site got to him a bit  ;)

Dan Kelly

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Re:GCA.com'ers aren't what they want you to think they are.
« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2005, 03:08:21 PM »
I would play golf.

But that pickup ride would tempt me for a moment, I'd have to admit.

"There's no money in doing less." -- Joe Hancock, 11/25/2010
"Rankings are silly and subjective..." -- Tom Doak, 3/12/2016

Brian_Gracely

Re:GCA.com'ers aren't what they want you to think they are.
« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2005, 03:15:07 PM »
As Brad Klein comments in the SkinnyTommy@FH article in GolfWeek, "...many mid-handicappers enjoy walking a course much more than playing it."  

Sounds like Mr.Paul is just honing his skills for the day that Mr.Klein sends him his rater card.

THuckaby2

Re:GCA.com'ers aren't what they want you to think they are.
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2005, 03:19:18 PM »
That's a great thought, Sandbox, only TEP never walked the course either.

Does riding around in various vehicles count?

 :'(

Patrick_Mucci

Re:GCA.com'ers aren't what they want you to think they are.
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2005, 03:23:37 PM »
Gracely,

Aimlessly riding around in a pick-up, FAR removed from the golf course, looking for the lost treasure of the Sierra Madre hardly qualifies as honing one's skills.

Employing vast quantities of vasoline would have been of more help. ;D

Brian_Gracely

Re:GCA.com'ers aren't what they want you to think they are.
« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2005, 03:24:31 PM »
Well, there is the snake issue.....so I don't completely blame him.  I hope that he at least rode around in the back of the pick-up as I doubt he gets that experience back in Philly  ;)  

Or did Mr.Youngscap make him wear a restraining harness so that he didn't jump out and yell, "there is it, there's #63 over there in the rumbled dunes" as the truck was crusing along....

Patrick_Mucci

Re:GCA.com'ers aren't what they want you to think they are.
« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2005, 03:31:02 PM »
Gracely,

Ran and I tried to pretend we didn't see them as they were shouting from the cab and back of the pickup truck.

As to the snakes, rattlers, bull snakes and racers seem to be the ones indigenous to the property.

I only saw one on the 18th fairway and guided it to the off area lest it be run over by a cart.

I did question our wisdom when Ran and I walked up and back to the original 17th tee to hit some experimental shots.

Scott_Burroughs

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Re:GCA.com'ers aren't what they want you to think they are.
« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2005, 03:36:31 PM »
I hope that he at least rode around in the back of the pick-up as I doubt he gets that experience back in Philly  ;)  

Sure he has.  Twice he and his driver have been thrown off Ardrossan Farm for 4-wheelin' it at night with a spotlight checking out Bill Coore's routing.  One of them was in the back, drool-dripped tongue hanging out in the wind.  Oh, and Cooreshaw was there, too.

« Last Edit: June 29, 2005, 03:39:53 PM by Crooked_Iron_Burroughs »

PThomas

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Re:GCA.com'ers aren't what they want you to think they are.
« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2005, 03:46:46 PM »
I would have done as you did, Patrick...

mmmm, we start agreeing like this I may just wear a Warren course shirt WITH the ND logo on it.... ;D
199 played, only Augusta National left to play!

SPDB

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Re:GCA.com'ers aren't what they want you to think they are.
« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2005, 03:50:07 PM »
By chance, on #2, did any of you guys find a ProV1X just outside a snake hole with a blue Sharrpie mark covering the number?   ;D

.....with a black cheater line over the "ProV1*"  ;D

Scott_Burroughs

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Re:GCA.com'ers aren't what they want you to think they are.
« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2005, 03:55:09 PM »
By chance, on #2, did any of you guys find a ProV1X just outside a snake hole with a blue Sharrpie mark covering the number?   ;D

.....with a black cheater line over the "ProV1*"  ;D

I was going to say the same thing, but I held back....

Dan Kelly

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Re:GCA.com'ers aren't what they want you to think they are.
« Reply #13 on: June 29, 2005, 04:42:42 PM »
8 Putt --

You are ENTIRELY correct about the cheater line -- among many other things, I'm sure!

The last time I was at Golfsmith, there was a little device at the checkout counter that purported to find a golf ball's "center of balance," or some such rot, by spinning it at a high speed.

You put the ball into the device, wait for it to stabilize, and then put the Cheater Line on it through 360 degrees.

Horrors.

Can't you sue 'em, or something?
"There's no money in doing less." -- Joe Hancock, 11/25/2010
"Rankings are silly and subjective..." -- Tom Doak, 3/12/2016

TEPaul

Re:GCA.com'ers aren't what they want you to think they are.
« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2005, 04:48:24 PM »
There's definitely nothing wrong with playing the course over and over again Pat, but if you really want to study and understand how what you were playing over and over again got there in the first place you do what I did--you try to look at and understand that land the way Ben and Bill and Dick Youngscap and the others did before they built the golf course for you to play over and over again.

Just for posting this thread, henceforth, I will refuse to tell you what I saw and learned while you were going around in circles beating a little white ball into the blue Nebraska wild yonder! And what will you do or know then? Practically nothing. After a while I'll probably have to start lining you up on the tee and showing you where you're supposed to go next.

Try to remember, at least once every day, if it were not for me and the things I do and teach you and tell you about you'd be nothing as a golf analyst---a total zero in fact. Without me you'd be nothing. I am your master. You will never be more than a master student.

In fact I did find the Sand Hills "Treasure of the Sierra Madre", and Coore and Crenshaw's "Constellation Map" was the key and I ain't telling you one damn other thing about it from here on out. I even found the tire iron on "Tire Iron Hill" and you don't even know where that is---you duffus!

What were you doing when I was out there with that crew at 6am getting the skinny on the nuances of that golf course? You were in Room #22 snoring, that's what.

;)

TEPaul

Re:GCA.com'ers aren't what they want you to think they are.
« Reply #15 on: June 29, 2005, 04:54:37 PM »
Furthermore, those holes as you may know are discovered, not built. And now I know the key to what more could've been. I asked Dick Youngscap if we layed them out as they appear on that "Constellation Map" and pay for their maintenance if he'd let us finish off about the other 100 or so that Bill and Ben didn't do.

He said no, and he even said Ben and Bill have agreed that what's on that map should not be done in the future. That's not stopping me though. It'll be like what Ben and Bill did by building the 4th green when Dick was away. I'll find out when Dick and the rest of them aren't around the Sand Hills and when they come back they're gonna find another hundred or so of those holes on that "Constellation Map" ready to go.

John_Cullum

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Re:GCA.com'ers aren't what they want you to think they are.
« Reply #16 on: June 29, 2005, 05:16:05 PM »
You're not saying that Tom Paul did not play at all, are you? But that would be just like TP, he'd go all the way out there and not play just to confuse Mucci.
"We finally beat Medicare. "

Kevin_Reilly

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Re:GCA.com'ers aren't what they want you to think they are.
« Reply #17 on: June 29, 2005, 05:19:12 PM »
The only things in golf worse than the cheater line:

What about caddies assisting with alignment for full shots and putts?
"GOLF COURSES SHOULD BE ENJOYED RATHER THAN RATED" - Tom Watson

Bill_McBride

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Re:GCA.com'ers aren't what they want you to think they are.
« Reply #18 on: June 29, 2005, 05:20:26 PM »
8-Putt (was it really that many?  ::)), what is currently pissing me off is a guy who is half of a couple that my wife and I have really fun matches with on Sundays.  What's pissing me off is that he has a GPS rangefinder thingy strapped on his bag and insists on using it.  I've told him it's illegal and pisses me off but he continues to use it.  My wife says I can't hit him with my wedge because she likes our matches too much.  What should I do?  Use my putter?

Bill_McBride

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Re:GCA.com'ers aren't what they want you to think they are.
« Reply #19 on: June 29, 2005, 05:26:45 PM »
Pasa #17?

George Pazin

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Re:GCA.com'ers aren't what they want you to think they are.
« Reply #20 on: June 29, 2005, 05:27:52 PM »
I, for one, would be equally happy to be sittin' in the truck next to Tom and playing. Of course, those of you who've seen my game will understand why.

But it's getting better! Lessons and practice, who'd a thunk it?

Shiv, I can't say any of those things bother me, as long as the person keeps up. I've played rounds with JohnV and he never even comments when I (or others) unknowingly break rules. I did get a laugh out of the yardage thing, but what is even funnier to me is when a complete stranger asks you what club you hit, for info purposes, not just out of curiosity. Talk about a meaningless question.
Big drivers and hot balls are the product of golf course design that rewards the hit one far then hit one high strategy.  Shinny showed everyone how to take care of this whole technology dilemma. - Pat Brockwell, 6/24/04

PThomas

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Re:GCA.com'ers aren't what they want you to think they are.
« Reply #21 on: June 29, 2005, 05:32:08 PM »
Bill- has the stupid thing helped the guy's golf game???
199 played, only Augusta National left to play!

Dan Kelly

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Re:GCA.com'ers aren't what they want you to think they are.
« Reply #22 on: June 29, 2005, 05:50:37 PM »
What should I do?  Use my putter?

I'd suggest a 1-iron.

Probably won't ever need it again, anyway -- unless the guy recovers.
« Last Edit: June 29, 2005, 06:24:14 PM by Knockdown Kelly »
"There's no money in doing less." -- Joe Hancock, 11/25/2010
"Rankings are silly and subjective..." -- Tom Doak, 3/12/2016

Mike Hendren

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Re:GCA.com'ers aren't what they want you to think they are.
« Reply #23 on: June 29, 2005, 05:56:14 PM »
6.  BTW, 20 years later, the Power Pod STILL pisses me off.

It's baaaack!



How about the Bassackwards putter?
Two Corinthians walk into a bar ....

John_Cullum

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Re:GCA.com'ers aren't what they want you to think they are.
« Reply #24 on: June 29, 2005, 06:16:21 PM »
The golfer formerly known as barney is quite fond of the power pod.
"We finally beat Medicare. "