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Chris Pike

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Re:The gap between single digit handicapers and touring pros
« Reply #25 on: June 15, 2005, 01:48:57 PM »
Luke List, who could (should) have beaten Ryan Moore in the U.S. Amateur last year, plays to a +4.3.  List is playing in the U.S. Open this week.  We'll have to see how a +4.3 fares in the Championship.  His lowest Indexed Round is a +5.9 (67 at a 74.0/135 rated course).  As a frame of reference, Harbour Town plays 74.0/136 from the Heritage Tees (6900+ yards) for member play - not tournament conditions.
"Golf is a game in which you yell Fore, shoot six and write down five."  -Paul Harvey

Bob_Huntley

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Re:The gap between single digit handicapers and touring pros
« Reply #26 on: June 15, 2005, 03:19:35 PM »
Luke List, who could (should) have beaten Ryan Moore in the U.S. Amateur last year, plays to a +4.3.  List is playing in the U.S. Open this week.  We'll have to see how a +4.3 fares in the Championship.  His lowest Indexed Round is a +5.9 (67 at a 74.0/135 rated course).  As a frame of reference, Harbour Town plays 74.0/136 from the Heritage Tees (6900+ yards) for member play - not tournament conditions.

Chris,

Here is an interesting thought. Last week a friend of mine played in a small tournament at Cypress Point. The Rating was 72.1 and the Slope was 140. With an index of 6.3 (handicap 8) he shot a smooth 67 for a net 59 on his own ball. Birdied the 1st, bogied the 2nd, birdied 5 and 6. He holed out with a seven iron on twelve for an eagle and birdied 17.

His next outing was in the eighties.

No matter how good an amateur, it is rare to see someone outduel a veteran out of the blocks.

In the last twenty years or so only two British Amateur Champions have made an impact at the highest level, both Spaniards. Garcia and Olazaba.l

Don_Mahaffey

Re:The gap between single digit handicapers and touring pros
« Reply #27 on: June 15, 2005, 09:42:38 PM »
I've been involved in three different PGA tour events from the course maintenance side of things. In all three cases the courses were not set up as tough as possible. Please do not infer that to mean I don't think there is a huge gap between top amateurs and the tour pros. The tour guys are incredible. But, they don't always play the courses from the tips and the greens aren't always as hard and fast as you may be led to believe.