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Jason Hines

Dismal River Article
« on: June 02, 2005, 07:19:04 PM »
Being a novice, can someone tell me why you would need an irrigation pound over a huge aquifer?  There obviously is a reason, drainage?


Nicklaus is expected to give course final OK in fall

BY STU POSPISIL
   

Online Extra: Midlands Golf
   
Tucked away on one of the highest points on the Dismal River Club property will be a 15-million-gallon reservoir, storage water for the future Jack Nicklaus golf course.

   
Dismal River Club is one of two exclusive golf clubs under construction in the Sand Hills. The Prairie Club is southwest of Valentine on the rim of the Snake River.
 
It constitutes a 10-day reserve supply for the course's irrigation system, which can throw 2,000 gallons a minute through 1,700 sprinkler heads.

"You won't see it at all," said Bill Martin of Denver, one of the club's investors.

Martin said Dismal River Club, southwest of Mullen, Neb., remains on schedule and within budget. Work continues until early fall, when Nicklaus is expected to sign off on the course, with a tentative opening date of May or June 2006.

Dismal River Club is one of two exclusive golf clubs under construction in the Sand Hills. The Prairie Club, also planning to open in 2006, is southwest of Valentine on the rim of the Snake River.

They will join Sand Hills Golf Club, which opened 10 years ago, as lures in the middle of the country for wealthy, avid golfers looking for unique course experiences.

Fourteen of the 18 holes at Dismal River Club won't change in the final routing of the course. Nicklaus will decide about the other four holes in his next visit to the Sand Hills, probably in the next few weeks.

"From the tips, it's 7,800 yards," Martin said. "For us mortals, there's four sets of tee boxes. For the members, it's about 6,700 yards. There's some really cool par-3s, a couple driveable par-4s and monster par-5s."

The course, like many in Scotland, will have outward and inward nines. There will be an outbuilding with restrooms between the ninth green and 10th tee.

Martin said workers are finishing the lining of the reservoir. Wells and pumps have been installed. Milroy Golf Systems of Newburg, Ore., which is installing the irrigation system, has worked on the Bandon Dunes family of courses along the Oregon coast.

"We're going full bore on construction," Martin said. "Once the irrigation is in place, then we can start stripping the native grass and start seeding."

Kyle Jacobsen will be in charge of the grow-in phase as Dismal River Club's new course superintendent. He had been an assistant superintendent at Whistling Straits, the Lake Michigan course in Wisconsin that was the site of last year's PGA Championship.

Like Sand Hills and the Wild Horse course at Gothenburg, Dismal River and Prairie Club will require little grading. Martin said Al Pettigrew, recommended by Nicklaus, is on a monthly contract to do whatever shaping of greens, tees and bunkers is needed.

Work also is starting on the building that will house the pro shop, restaurant, offices and cart storage and the first phase of lodging that will accommodate 48 in two-bedroom and four-bedroom cabins. Those will sit on a bluff above the river, a mile from the first tee.

"It's view-protected from the course," Martin said, "yet has a commanding view of the river valley."

A practice facility will be adjacent, with more practice putting greens next to the first tee.

"Whenever possible, we're using local labor," Martin said. "There was a real good turnout for the job opportunities. There's just a limited population base and with agriculture and Sand Hills, we weren't sure what kind of labor supply there was."


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Adam Clayman

Re: Dismal River Article
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2010, 07:18:15 PM »
Dismal River recently sold.

That's all I know.
"It's unbelievable how much you don't know about the game you've been playing your whole life." - Mickey Mantle

Chip Gaskins

Re: Dismal River Article
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2010, 07:21:25 PM »
To whom?

Still a second course going in?

JohnV

Re: Dismal River Article
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2010, 07:24:46 PM »
Guesses:

Water Quality and purity
Guaranteed supply for short term emergencies such as well failures or contamination
If the lose pumping power from the aquifer, they might be able to gravity feed water from this high point
Possibly they aren't getting water directly from the aquifer and need to store water from some other source.

Or, they just wanted to spend money on something they really don't need.  Never seen that happen before. ::)

Matt Day

Re: Dismal River Article
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2010, 09:03:44 PM »
we pull all our irrigation water from aquifers and then pump to irrigation lakes (12 million litre capacity). The reason for this is to reduce iron oxide levels from 5ppm coming out of the ground to 0.1ppm coming out of the sprinkler.

This is common thing in Perth where the ground water tends to have a high iron level.

Tom_Doak

Re: Dismal River Article
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2010, 09:51:54 PM »
I've heard it said (but am not sure in the case of Dismal River) that there was a fear that pulling COLD water from the aquifer and putting it straight onto the golf course in the heat of summer might cause issues, so, it's nice to let it warm up in a pond first.  Is there any truth to that?

Don't think the water quality of the Ogallala aquifer is an issue.

Adam Clayman

Re: Dismal River Article
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2010, 02:01:18 AM »
One of the cool little gimmicks (I mean that in a good way) at Prairie Club will be the opportunity to get a cool drink of water straight out of the aquifer through an old windmill powered pump. If I recall correctly it will behind one of the greens on the route to the next hole on the Marsh course.(Pines course).

Chip, I don't know to whom or for how much. As for Watson's new course, as I said, all I know is that it sold.  

BTW, We had our own little gca get together tonight, too. Dan and Dave were in town meeting at Bayside to discuss the proposed new changes. Whatever anybody says, there's not too many people in the world that could match those guys for down to earth nice.
« Last Edit: January 20, 2010, 02:05:22 AM by Adam Clayman »
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Scott Szabo

Re: Dismal River Article
« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2010, 09:05:01 AM »
Adam,

Can you elaborate at this time what the proosed changes will entail?  I know you briefly went over them a while back - are they still the same?  When will these changes take place?

Thanks
"So your man hit it into a fairway bunker, hit the wrong side of the green, and couldn't hit a hybrid off a sidehill lie to take advantage of his length? We apologize for testing him so thoroughly." - Tom Doak, 6/29/10

Adam Clayman

Re: Dismal River Article
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2010, 09:36:51 AM »
Scott, That's what they are there (right now) discussing. So the following is what the owner has in his mind, but, has every intention of listening to the boys if they see it differently.

Mostly involving the front nine, The goal is to add three new holes down closer to the lake. Beginning with a Par 3 going the opposite direction off of the 9th teeing ground general area towards the lake. Then a long cape like hole along the lake and finally another par 4 also along the lake. This will make for a very long ride to the 10th tee and back to clubhouse. It also will involve turning the current 4th into a longer par 5 to the current 5th green and having the current 7th play to the current 8th green as their 6th hole.
 The other changes will involve the 11th. Creating a whole new hole on the opposite bank of the huge ravine that lines the entire right side of the current hole. From there, there's a whole lot of possibilities, the coolest of which could culminate in a dell like green site.
"It's unbelievable how much you don't know about the game you've been playing your whole life." - Mickey Mantle

Scott Szabo

Re: Dismal River Article
« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2010, 11:37:11 AM »
Adam,

Did they give a time frame as to when the construction would begin?  We will be making our annual pilgrimmege the first week in June and could need to look at a different course if this one's not available.
"So your man hit it into a fairway bunker, hit the wrong side of the green, and couldn't hit a hybrid off a sidehill lie to take advantage of his length? We apologize for testing him so thoroughly." - Tom Doak, 6/29/10

Jason Hines

Re: Dismal River Article
« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2010, 08:49:37 PM »
Sad to see the 7th  at Bayside changed.  I assume they are not building a hotel anymore?  (Have not been there since 2006)
Does anyone know who purchased Dismal River and what are their intentions?

J.

Adam Clayman

Re: Dismal River Article
« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2010, 11:32:38 PM »
Jason, The loss of #7 is lamentable, however, the business model needs to work and if that means adding new lots to sell for RE, that's what needs to happen. While #7 is a great hole, Elton the super had issues with the severe green. Few pinnable locations without the howls from infinite putters. Even Dan concedes that the business has to work otherwise none of the holes will be around for any length of time. The ood news is, the lake is on the rise, so, hold onto those confederate dollars, the south is going to rise again.

As for DR. As stated I have not heard, but when I do, this thread will be the first one I look for.

Scott, The timeframe should not interfere with your outing, since most of the really invasive work will be done on ground not currently in use. You may want to check with Cliff when you book it, but, I suspect there should be no problem this year. When I speak with Jason I will get back to this thread and report anything new.
"It's unbelievable how much you don't know about the game you've been playing your whole life." - Mickey Mantle

Forrest Richardson

Re: Dismal River Article
« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2010, 05:38:08 AM »
Regarding the pond, my assumption is that the pond serves as a reservoir from which pressure is attained by a pump to charge the irrigation system. Dismal River has a very modern irrigation system and I would surmise from seeing it that a goal was a short watering window. The only way to achieve that is via lots of pressure — enough to water multiple fairways simultaneously. That cannot be attained (typically) with well pressure, nor without a reservoir to accommodate the volumes required for charging the irrigation lines.
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Jason Hines

Re: Dismal River Article New
« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2010, 06:58:02 AM »
Jason, The loss of #7 is lamentable, however, the business model needs to work and if that means adding new lots to sell for RE, that's what needs to happen. While #7 is a great hole, Elton the super had issues with the severe green. Few pinnable locations without the howls from infinite putters. Even Dan concedes that the business has to work otherwise none of the holes will be around for any length of time. The ood news is, the lake is on the rise, so, hold onto those confederate dollars, the south is going to rise again.

As for DR. As stated I have not heard, but when I do, this thread will be the first one I look for.

Scott, The timeframe should not interfere with your outing, since most of the really invasive work will be done on ground not currently in use. You may want to check with Cliff when you book it, but, I suspect there should be no problem this year. When I speak with Jason I will get back to this thread and report anything new.

Hii Adam,

What is their business model?  Adding more lots to the front 9?  I take it they are having some financial challenges?

How were the playing conditions last year?  When I played in '06, they were soft and fuzzy.

Forrest, When I was a kid, the wells up there would easily pull 2-3k gallons per minute.  Would that still be the case?  I don't know golf irrigation.

J.
« Last Edit: January 23, 2010, 10:44:59 AM by Jason Hines »

Forrest Richardson

Re: Dismal River Article
« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2010, 10:36:02 AM »
Well yield will vary depending on season and even time of day. Not that it isn't possible to irrigate directly from a well or multiple wells. However, most irrigation designers will prefer a reservoir so there is no uncertainty in the available volume and incoming pressure equation. The reservoir, of course, does not need to be a pond or lake — it can be a buried tank or an out of the way small reservoir. Larry Rogers and David Taylor sometimes chime in here. Their opinions would be best.
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