"Why would you suggest the subject of the Philadelphia School would be a sensitive subject to us?”
I assumed that after Wayne said he’d prefer to discuss the particulars of the Philadelphia School off line, and after the discussion continued on line, he eventually said he'd prefer not to continue.
Tom MacWood:
That’s probably because he was as frustrated trying to have an intelligent discussion about your essay on the arts and crafts movement as I am. He asked you a few questions about it and your response, instead of answering him, was to ask him about the Philly School of architecture stating you were trying to find some double standard. Double standard about what?
"What in the world is that all about?”
What’s what all about?
You said you’re being questioned about you’re A/C Movement essay because you wrote about Crump. I was asking you what that was all about? Are you actually under some impression that I'm asking you questions about your conclusion and suggestion regarding the Golden Age being renamed the "arts and crafts" movement because you decided to write and article on George Crump? If you want to talk about acting defensively, talk about that, because that sure sounds like what it is to me. Next you'll probably be telling us if we ever ask you a question about anything you write we're only asking you because you wrote and article on George Crump.
Jeesus man, get a grip on yourself.
"Who do you suppose it was who may’ve first coined the term 'Philadelphia School of Architecture', Tom? "
I believe Geoff Shackelford was the first to coin the term Philadelphia School (along with the Ross School, MacKenzie School, Monterey School and the National School). Why?
Congratulations, you got that right. Why don’t you ask Geoff why he didn’t include Samuel Heebner in his charter about the “Philadelphia School of Architecture” in “The Golden Age of Golf Design”? Why don’t you ask him why he didn’t include Colt? Why don’t you ask him why he didn’t name that book “The Arts and Crafts Age of Golf Design” instead of "The Golden Age of Golf Design".
"I think it’s an excellent example of why I believe you have a very odd and inaccurate way of looking at golf course architecture, its evolution and history."
You are entitled to your opinion. I believe that is what you said after learning I was writing an essay on George Crump.
I never said a thing like that----ever---regarding Crump. All we ever asked you was how you could prove Crump committed suicide. The threads in the back pages on that subject are replete with our questions to you about why you felt the manner of Crump’s premature death made any difference whatsoever to the perception or reality of who was responsible for what during the creation of PVGC. You basically tried to avoid those questions after at first implying on here that you thought PVGC decided to glorify Crump after he shot himseld and to perhaps cover up that fact in some kind of glorification campaign at Colt's expense.
You said to me on the phone that you felt the fact that Crump shot himself was the precise reason the club and also the Philadelphia golf community decided to glorify Crump and minimize Colt’s part. And I told you on those threads a number of times I thought that was the most ridiculous suggestion I’d heard. Thank God following that discussion on here you decided not to make that point in your essay on Crump.
You also told me on the IM of this website and on the phone that you planned to write an essay on how an expert researcher/writer who attempted to write about Crump or his death was harrassed. That one I really love! But I'm sure you'll conveniently deny that.
You called your essay on Crump “Portrait of a Legend”. I think Philadelphia and most who know golf architecture and PVGC have felt Crump was somewhat of a legend for what he did at PVGC for about 85 years now so that was hardly a revelation on your part but certainly no one knew for sure that the rumor that had been going around for decades that he shot himself was true. A good question might be why no one ever bothered to find out! The truth is in this town and at PVGC, Tom, anyone who ever heard that rumor obviously felt it made no difference how he died---the fact that he did die suddenly was always the only tragedy and lose to his friends and the club? And that’s still the feeling!
Again, I thought you treated the revelation of the truth of the circumstances of his death (which you certainly did prove) very well but I’m still trying to figure out what point, if any, you may’ve been trying to make regarding the architecture of PVGC and Crump’s part in it. Since you’d been attempting to make a point on this web-site of the importance of Colt’s part in the creation of PVGC, I was very happy to see you didn’t try to make that point in your essay on Crump. Why did you decide to give up on that point, in your essay on Crump, by the way?
But who knows, at the rate you're going you'll probably try to convince someone that the real influence on the architecture of PVGC and who did it was Horace Hutchinson, Country Life Magazine and the "arts and crafts" movement.