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Philippe Binette

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Technology in course design and construction
« on: May 13, 2005, 03:02:11 PM »
In a time where technology is affecting the game more and more as far as equipment, what do you think would be the next major technology that would affect course design and construction...

Would it be about drainage, environment, grasses...

what do you think

ChasLawler

Re:Technology in course design and construction
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2005, 03:08:36 PM »
I'm waiting on a bent grass or fescue variety for fairways and rough that will grow and remain healthy (at a reasonable cost), south of the Mason-Dixon line - particularly in the transition zone.
« Last Edit: May 13, 2005, 03:09:21 PM by Cabell_Ackerly »

Steve Okula

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Re:Technology in course design and construction
« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2005, 04:00:02 PM »
The obvious call is computer programs, like auto-cad, that even now can construct 3-D images and "fly-throughs" of a course before ground has been broken.

GPS is being used more and more, especially for irrigation design and installation.

Laser mower is a reality. I believe there is a model commercially available in Germany. It mows the grass with a laser beam, drying the clippings in its wake. So far, they haven't got one precise enough to do greens or anything.

Theoretically, you could have pilotless laser mowers being programmed by computer and directed by satellite. The major part of the maintenance could then be done at night, coordinated with the irrigation by computer.

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Mark Brown

Re:Technology in course design and construction
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2005, 10:03:50 PM »
More fine leaf Bermuda for greens and the advancement of club shafts and fitting them to the player. Also the development of paspalum.
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Jim Thompson

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Re:Technology in course design and construction
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2005, 10:49:18 PM »
IMHO-

1. Drainage

2. Poa supina in northern areas

Used to combat impact of cart traffic.

JT
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Joe Hancock

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Re:Technology in course design and construction
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2005, 08:42:48 AM »
I would imagine the advancement of artificial playing surfaces will continue, with regards to the environment and maintenance costs especially.

When someone can produce all the characteristics of good turf(firmness, resiliency, texture, etc.) I think we'll see it used on higher end projects and in areas that are currently high traffic or high maintenance areas, with the probable exception of the putting green...and who knows, maybe even the putting green some day.

Joe
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Michael Dugger

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Re:Technology in course design and construction
« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2005, 01:51:36 PM »
C. B. Macdonald would probably say the soul of golf shrieks! what with all this talk of artificial surfaces and laser cut greens.  

I can just hear DM Kidd's father speaking fondly of his turf being made up of synthetics and ground up sneakers.
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Joe Hancock

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Re:Technology in course design and construction
« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2005, 03:17:05 PM »
Rest assured I don't advocate the ideas I tossed out there, but to think things won't change is naive.

Joe
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RJ_Daley

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Re:Technology in course design and construction
« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2005, 04:30:09 PM »
IN terms of things that effect construction, I thing even more efficient irrigation systems will be invented out of necessity.  

Paspulum and other turf species and cultivars that can tolerate effluent water, and somehow genetic manipulation of cultivars to use less water and fertility are a must.

I believe that if many more advancements aren't made in water-fertility usage of the turf plant, golf will have to yield to real  resource crisis concerns in 50 years or<.

Along those lines, soil ammendments to retain and help the plant use water and nutirents more efficiently also will be improved.

Contruction wise, perhaps some sort of more multi-use or convertible grading-shaping machine that is light yet powerful and can be run even more precisely.  Perhaps something that is more fuel efficient or uses something other than diesel, or bio-diesel.
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David Sneddon

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Re:Technology in course design and construction
« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2005, 05:42:00 PM »
I would imagine the advancement of artificial playing surfaces will continue, with regards to the environment and maintenance costs especially.

When someone can produce all the characteristics of good turf(firmness, resiliency, texture, etc.) I think we'll see it used on higher end projects and in areas that are currently high traffic or high maintenance areas, with the probable exception of the putting green...and who knows, maybe even the putting green some day.

Joe

There is artificial turf that meets your criterion, Joe, it is a combination of the type of polypropylene and the mixture used as infill.  One problem is that the infill is moved on each tee shot (par 3 irons), and even though it can be brushed back into the 'divot' by the golfer, it will still be rather soft until it is rolled.  It is a problem, but as far as artificial goes, it gives one the most realistic feel vis a vis real turf.

The problems are similar with a fairway turf, however the 'divots' would be scattered over an area, rather than concentrated on one area of tee.

As far as greens go, you can infill a green to hold a ball from 180yds, however that green will be, by nature of the infill, rather slow to putt.  We can make the greens to club/tour speeds, but it will not hold a ball, unless it has a *lot* of backspin.  So there is a tradeoff - putting speed vs holding.  I could see that some clubs may wish to use artificial in their practice areas, to reduce water, fertilizer etc.

I see more usage of artificial turf in the tee areas.  Installation costs are too high for fairway.  In the tee areas, it does offer some cost savings, since no watering, fertilizing or cutting is required, daily maintenance would be about the same in costs too, I would think.

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Tom_Doak

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Re:Technology in course design and construction
« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2005, 06:13:29 PM »
I keep being told that someday soon the grading equipment will be connected to GPS, so that the machines can translate the drawings directly to the ground without the need of a shaper with a good eye.

Of course, no one has ever drawn a golf course on paper which was as good in three dimensions as those built in the field.

Mike_Young

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Re:Technology in course design and construction
« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2005, 06:26:48 PM »
I think thhe golf cart companies or tire companies will find a way to use carts without cartpaths.  Which is a huge savings.
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Joe Hancock

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Re:Technology in course design and construction
« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2005, 07:29:50 PM »
Mike,

Done deal. We have a fleet of 55 carts, and other than to #1 and #10 tees...no paths. Apart from a couple parking areas near tees, there is grass everywhere.

Joe
" What the hell is the point of architecture and excellence in design if a "clever" set up trumps it all?" Peter Pallotta, June 21, 2016

"People aren't picking a side of the fairway off a tee because of a randomly internally contoured green ."  jeffwarne, February 24, 2017