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Tim Taylor

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Where to play in San Diego?
« on: May 01, 2005, 07:38:27 PM »
Folks,

Business takes me to San Diego this coming week and I'll have a chance to play a round or two. Hopefully I'll be able to get on at Barona Creek. What other courses would the locals recommend?

I played Rancho Bernardo and Steele Canyon a few years ago and had a decent enough time but don't feel the need to go back.

The biggest factor for me is to play something different than what we get here in the mid-Atlantic. Second biggest factor is ability to easily get on as a single (probably rules out Torrey Pines).

Thanks gang,

Tim T

Neal_Meagher

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Re:Where to play in San Diego?
« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2005, 07:47:40 PM »
Tim,

Definitely play Barona Creek as it is completely different from anything you will see in the mid-Atlantic region, apart from being very strategically oriented.

For even more "SoCal" terrain, try getting out to Poway to play at Maderas GC.  It flows between large boulders, wide fairways, skinny fairways, undulating greens in scale with their surrounds and in general, another way of experiencing something different from the mid-Atlantic.

Also, Troon usually does a good job with the maintenance of the place.
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Matt_Cohn

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Re:Where to play in San Diego?
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2005, 12:19:12 PM »
This topic has come up a number of times before, see if you can search GCA - there were a lot of replies!

JakaB

Re:Where to play in San Diego?
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2005, 12:22:34 PM »
Matt...it has come up several times and every time Rancho Santa Fe gets poo poohed....why is that..

THuckaby2

Re:Where to play in San Diego?
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2005, 12:34:14 PM »
JK - I don't recall RSF ever being poo-poohed... the few people who've played it seem to rave about it.  It's just rarely mentioned in response to these "where to play" inquiries because it is rather insanely private.... not exactly easy to arrange a round at.

Thus my standard answer is sure, Barona is great... but if you can do RSF, well then screw Barona.  RSF is a weird old Max Behr course and just has to be manna from heaven for folks frequenting this website.

TH

Alex Chehansky

Re:Where to play in San Diego?
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2005, 01:22:48 PM »
 a single at Torrey is doable on a tues, wed, thurs, get there no later than 5:45 and you will be out by 7.  also, if you have connections, The Farms is a great quirky course in Rancho Santa Fe, also try San Diego CC south of downtown, new greens and it is lengthened, very good

Pete Lavallee

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Re:Where to play in San Diego?
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2005, 03:10:23 PM »
Matt...it has come up several times and every time Rancho Santa Fe gets poo poohed....why is that..

In my best Mucciesque tone: "Please quote three instances where people have pooh-poohed Rancho Santa Fe CC."

The only people, to my knowledge, who have brought up the course on GCA are Huckaby, who has lavishly praised it, and Tommy, who posted pictures and raved about the natural architecture inherent in the undulations there. As Tom says, suggesting someone play RSF CC while in SD is like suggesting they check out the National while on Long Island! Can your confirmation sponser get us both off?
"...one inoculated with the virus must swing a golf-club or perish."  Robert Hunter

JakaB

Re:Where to play in San Diego?
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2005, 03:40:03 PM »
Matt...it has come up several times and every time Rancho Santa Fe gets poo poohed....why is that..

In my best Mucciesque tone: "Please quote three instances where people have pooh-poohed Rancho Santa Fe CC."

The only people, to my knowledge, who have brought up the course on GCA are Huckaby, who has lavishly praised it, and Tommy, who posted pictures and raved about the natural architecture inherent in the undulations there. As Tom says, suggesting someone play RSF CC while in SD is like suggesting they check out the National while on Long Island! Can your confirmation sponser get us both off?

Pete,

Interesting that you recall my confirmation sponser...I withdrew that offer after suffering the embarrassment of silence....I know people love me, so I could only figure it was the course when I didn't even get one response after a number of days.

Pete Lavallee

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Re:Where to play in San Diego?
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2005, 04:13:59 PM »

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Pete,

Interesting that you recall my confirmation sponser...I withdrew that offer after suffering the embarrassment of silence....I know people love me, so I could only figure it was the course when I didn't even get one response after a number of days.
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I doubt it was a lack of love, possibly a lack of belief on the part of others. Rancho Santa Fe tops the list of America's most affluent communities; well we do have better weather than the Hamptons. One must reside within the gated walls off the Covenant to become a member; they do value their privacy.
"...one inoculated with the virus must swing a golf-club or perish."  Robert Hunter

Pete Lavallee

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Re:Where to play in San Diego?
« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2005, 01:28:34 AM »
Tim,

Here's a list I've been meaning to compile; hope it helps.

Where to play in San Diego?

Resorts:

Barona Creek     619-387-7018
     This is the must play course in the San Diego area. Just a 30 minute drive from downtown, Todd Eckenrode’s creation in Wildcat Canyon offers a thrill for every class of golfer. The course features strategic bunkering, scattered at different distances, through the wide fairways. Firm and fast conditions put a premium on attacking from the correct angles to the highly contoured greens. Hotel and Casino on site.

Torrey Pines     (reservations) 619-570-1234
     South:  The host for the 2008 US Open is set up as a test of the modern game. Even from the white tees (6,880) this course plays long. Rees improved the 3 holes he moved to the canyon’s edge (3, 4&14) but 18 double plateau greens are a bit repetitive. Greens still need work to justify the $100-$125 rate
     North: The proposed redesign has been postponed, here’s your chance to play what could be William Francis Bell’s best work. Better use of terrain, nicely contoured set of pushup greens, surely the more scenic of the two courses.
     Golfers can show up as early as they want to line up for the morning’s first hour of tee times (cars line up in the parking lot on weekends, during the week you place your golf bag in line in front of the starters booth on the balcony); singles stand a decent chance of getting off through the waiting list in the afternoon.

Carlton Oaks     619-448-4500
     This Perry Dye redesign has all the "dye-abolical” trademarks: waste areas, pot bunkers bulk headed water hazards and many greens that slope away in the back. At 7,225 75.2/146from the tips it’s definitely the second toughest layout in the County. Lots of fun from the blue or white tees though. Hotel on site.

La Costa     760-438-9111
     Fans of Dick Wilson will enjoy the artistry of the bunkering on the original tournament course. The bad news is it has been split into the South, with 9 holes shoehorned in by Wilson and the North with its’ additional 9 holes on ample ground with good movement across the street, done by Joe Lee Unfortunately neither nines are a match for the original work. Sometimes the Resort will let the first group off the North actually play the tournament course, so long as they can beat the first group off the South to the back 9.

Warner Springs Ranch     760-782-4270
     High desert course is both scenic and challenging. The remote atmosphere makes this course special; resort rooms have no TV or phones! Little over an hour from downtown but very close to Barona.


Municipal:

Coronado     619-435-3121
     Jack Daray designed San Diego’s “Hidden Gem”, built on fill dredged from the harbor in the 50’s, it has 4 holes that play along Glorietta Bay, subtle doglegs test driving ability, the pushup greens punish poor iron play, wind is often a factor. At $25/day for everyone it’s the best deal in town.

Balboa Park     (reservations)  619-570-1234
     Built in 1918 by William Park Bell, this short (6,281) trip out through the canyons and back across the mesa has remained a tough track to score on. Sam Snead’s course record 60, shot here while in the Navy in WWII, still stands. Views of downtown and the Coronado Islands, walkups should have no trouble playing here.

CCFAD’s:

Maderas CC     858-451-8100
     Built on a hilly site this course promises the thrilling downhill holes off the bat, the key here is how much fun the uphill holes are. Neal Meagher’s perfect mix off unique green sites are worth the price of admission alone. Soon to go private when enough memberships are sold.

Del Mar National     858-792-6200
     The only Fazio course in San Diego County; All golfers really want is a thrill; this course comes up short here. Very playable and takes a great picture, but the tea cups at Disney Land are more exciting than this place.

Privates:

Rancho Santa Fe CC
     Don’t pass up an opportunity to play here. Max Behr’s 1929 layout got the highest Doak rating in San Diego County (5).

La Jolla CC
     Canyon golf at its best from William Park Bell, built in 1927.

San Diego CC
     Another William Park Bell layout with several barrancas was built in 1921. The redesigned greens seem unsympathetic to the Bell style.

Tijuana CC
     The course claims a MacKenzie heritage, but it sure looks like a William Park Bell to me; possibly during his relationship with Tillinghast. Close enough to the border to take the trolley down and hop in a cab for the short journey to the golf course; public access allowed.

Pauma Valley
     The only Robert Trent Jones course in San Diego County is in the high desert just past Barona; once rated within the top 20 in Ca.

Military:

Marine Memorial   GC, Camp Pendleton     760-725-4704
     Set within the expansive Marine base this course by William Francis Bell occupies a peaceful and secluded river valley 50 minutes from downtown. Somewhat shaggy conditioning here doesn’t detract from the enjoyment.

Miramar, Memorial GC     858-577-4155
     Jack Daray shows how to turn a flat parcel of land into an interesting golf course at the old Top Gun base. Now a Marine Corp Air Station it has some of the best conditioned greens in the County; wind and FA-18’s are always a factor here.
« Last Edit: May 04, 2005, 01:33:18 AM by Pete Lavallee »
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Wayne Freeman

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Re:Where to play in San Diego?
« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2005, 01:42:03 AM »
I'd definitely go with Barona and if you can't get on Torrey South, play Carlton Oaks- it is very good. If you can't do the latter two, Torrey North isn't too bad -  the first several holes are really terrific.  

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