Where does the golf course end and the setting begin?

[jeffwarne]

Meaning when evaluating the age old arguements such as "if Pebble beach weren't located on the Pacific Ocean",do you consider the ocean (and the housing) to be part of the course-or the setting?
Or when evaluating recent massive tree clearing at Shinnecock or NGLA do you say the course was altered,or the setting?
If trees are cleared to open a stunning vista,have you changed the course or the setting?And the setting only arguement may not fly if your opponent hits his ball 80 yards offline into the new opening
Perhaps if it's hard to figure out where the course ends and the setting begins,the architect(and subsequently the superintendant) has done his job.

[A_Clay_Man]

If trees are cleared to open a stunning vista,have you changed the course or the setting?And the setting only arguement may not fly if your opponent hits his ball 80 yards offline into the new opening

Jeff- Isn't hiting it 80 yards offline it's own penalty? And isn't the subsequent recovery, to beat you on the hole, only a problem for you, but implies some great golf from your competitor.

[TEPaul]

"Where does the golf course end and the setting begin?"

JeffW;

Pretty much at the property lines! Why in the hell these so-called golf architectural analysts can't understand that is frankly beyond me!  

[danielfaleman]

Pretty much at the property lines! Why in the hell these so-called golf architectural analysts can't understand that is frankly beyond me!  

Not even at the property line; I've played many a ball from a backyard, street, or 7-11 parking-lot.

[Tom_Doak]

TEP:  Max Behr would be ashamed of you for setting any boundaries on the golf course.  He wanted freedom from such things.

[ForkaB]

TEP

TD is right.  The first time Max Behr played Pebble Beach he just kept heading south and ended up in LA about a week or two later......