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Bill_McBride

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Airports in play
« on: March 19, 2005, 11:59:29 PM »
The current thread, "Railroads in play," reminds me that golf courses and airports have always been neighbors.  Maybe it's because noise is better above golf courses than housing developments.  Anybody have any great aviation-related golf course tales?

One I recall is at the Broadway course in the Cotswolds in England.  The course is on top of an escarpment, with the Vale of Eavesham below.  Down there is a U.S. air base.  During my round at Broadway, I was walking down the fairway, maybe #16 or 17 with a couple of the local lads, when we were buzzed by two U.S. F-18s maybe 100 yards above us.  We all hit the deck in abject fear thinking it was Pearl Harbor revisited.  Pretty funny in retrospect, pretty scary at the time!

At some courses it almost seems possible to hit planes on approach with tee balls!

Tommy_Naccarato

Re:Airports in play
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2005, 02:38:17 AM »
Although MacCarron is across the street, I still think that the Bali Hate incident I experienced with the Armenian, the Red Head and Adam as one of my very favorites.

I could have sworn I saw Asain tourists with Nikkon's snapping pictures at us from those little port hole windows of that 727.

Matthew Delahunty

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Re:Airports in play
« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2005, 05:40:59 AM »
Several courses on the Melbourne Sandbelt are in close proximity to Moorabbin airport which is home to mostly light aricraft and the odd helicopter. Kingston Heath is across the road, and so is The Capital which is right under one of the flight paths, so the casino high rollers (who are entertained at the course) can view the course on their way in. There's a municipal track bordering the airfield, where in my younger days, a few mates used to try and take out the planes with their tee shots as they flew over the par three under the flight path.

My home course of Spring Valley is not too far away either and aided in a crash landing in the 1960s. The plane didn't make it back to the airport and used the 12th fairway at the Valley as the makeshift runway. There's a photo in the club history book with some ladies playing around the stricken plane.

I won't forget the drone at St Andrews from nearby Leuchars when I played there. Also the courses in the north of Scotland - Moray, Dornoch and Tain, where they have firing/bombing practice on the adjacent strip of land.
« Last Edit: March 20, 2005, 05:46:14 AM by Matthew Delahunty »

wsmorrison

Re:Airports in play
« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2005, 06:42:15 AM »
I don't know if it is routed the same way, but I recall waiting for planes to take off and land at Casa de Campo crossing a runway between a green and a tee late on the back nine.

Neil Regan

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Re:Airports in play
« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2005, 06:48:40 AM »
Machrihanish has landing lights along the 9th.
John Gallacher once drove his ball from the tee into a plane.
Not "hit", but "into".

Grass speed  <>  Green Speed

Neil Regan

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Re:Airports in play
« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2005, 06:52:04 AM »
Machrihanish also had the RAF/US Navy Seal top secret airport take some of the course 70 years ago. A sign on the 12th tee warns that the area is covered by the official Secrets Act: if you go there, you might not come back.

Grass speed  <>  Green Speed

Neil Regan

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Re:Airports in play
« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2005, 06:58:54 AM »
  One day, on the 12th, I looked back to watch my brother hit his second from deep grass. Immediately behind him, and due to foreshortened perspective looking like they were exactly above him, I saw a super low and slow US Troop Transport behemoth open its belly and drop at least a hundred men from maybe 100 feet to the ground. It looked like they were coming to get him for setting up his ball in the rough.
  Ever since, I always have a camera ready.

Grass speed  <>  Green Speed

Mark_Rowlinson

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Re:Airports in play
« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2005, 07:33:13 AM »
Royal Troon is on the approach to Prestwick Airport, which is once again busy.  I remember playing there many years ago when the airport was less busy for passenger flights and it was used by BA as a training base for its Concord staff.  It was doing circuits and bumps and making itself a very noisy companion as it was taking off over the course, not landing.  Then all went quiet.  Its landing gear had collapsed and it was squatting on the ground on the main runway closing the airport for several hours.

I've told you before about the USAF pilots we met at St Andrews and how they flew over the course, dipping their wings at us, as they flew out from Leuchars.

A10 'Warthog' Tank Busters were training on a range very close to Hornsea GC in Yorkshire.  They were coming in at all sorts of hights and angles firing shells as big as wine bottles.  Very scary.  Similarly we were once dived on by A10s at Ganton.  

One of the noisiest golf courses used to be Woodbridge in Suffolk, at the end of a runway at the very busy USAF base at Woodbridge.  The sight of Phantoms taking off with their afterburners on is terrific.  The base is now closed.  Similarly Greenham Common, next to which is newbury and Crookham, a nice downland course.

RAF Valley on Anglesey, the island off the coast of Wales, is both an RAF training base and also a staging post for many NATO fighters which refuel there when doing low level exercises in Snowdonia.  You can often see much of the latest hardware from Anglesey GC which is at the end of the runway.

RAF Mildenhall is being rebuilt at the moment but it is the main US staging post for Europe.  Mostly they are giant troop carriers and freighters which land here but you will often see visiting fighters and planes from many NATO nations and quite often they can be seen and heard from Royal Worlington and almost invariably from Thetford.  I caught my only glimpse of the SR71 Blackbird from R Worlington.

El Prat, a rather flat but good Arana course (and a second course by Dave Thomas, which I have not played) used to be right at the end of the runways of Barcelona Airport.  Sadly they've been ploughed up so that the airport can expand.  I don't know where they are moving to, or who the architect(s) may be.

Glyfada in Athens was right beside the old airport in Athens, which is now closed.  Unfortunately the course is not worth playing, despite its new-found peace.

When a friend and I played at Joyenval near Paris last summer it seemed to be the point at which the various French military aircraft met up to begin their fly-past over Paris for Bastille Day.

At Denham (Colt) just outside London you can slice onto the neighbouring airfield quite easily on one hole.  It was on this golf course that the last airworthy Britol Blenheim crashed a few years ago, killing its crew and destroying the aircraft.

Those of you who fly into or out of Heathrow should keep your eyes open because various routes take you over Wentworth and Sunningdale or Stoke Park and Burnham Beeches, while flying into Manchester you very frequently fly over a good number of courses around Stockport and south Manchester, taking off over Knutsford and Mere.

There's a golf course within the perimeter of the airfield at RAF Lakenheath (a US base) although it is such a vast base that the course is far away from the F-16s.  It looks nice - heathland I should say.  I've not played it.  I did, however, once play the 9-hole course at RAF Waddington near Lincoln.  It was at the time converting to AWACs planes, so it was much in use as a diversionary base, with planes coming in from many NATO countries.  The left hand side of the 9th hole was an old Vulcan bomber, used for practice at reparing crash damage.  It made a great noise when hit by a golf ball.  The only problem was that the ball bounced unpredictably off it into the rough and that was the end of that particular ball.  I believe the base is now closed.

Some years ago, flying to New York, I looked out of the window as we flew down the coast from Canada.  Shinnecock and NGLA were easily spotted.

Jonathan Cummings

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Re:Airports in play
« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2005, 07:44:46 AM »
I'm writing an article that will be out next month on Military Courses in the DC area.  Here's a clip from it that's relevant to the thread.

But more than views, Finley routed the 6714 yard layout to purposely bring the water into play.  Compact and mostly level, Cedar Point provides a wonderful opportunity for players to enjoy the golf walk along a tidal setting.  

There’s another feature to Pax that sometimes concerns the base safety officer - noise.  With holes 7-9 playing along runway 3/21, this may be the only course in the world where it is wise to play with earplugs.  Balls peacefully resting on the eighth green are known to vibrate as a pair of Tomcats, under full military power, roar by.


Nick Pozaric

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Re:Airports in play
« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2005, 07:55:44 AM »
Fort Knox outside of Louisville KY has 2 courses in the middle of the base.  One of them is right next to the famous gold vault.  We used to joke about not hooking the ball into the mine field.  Kind of neat playing next to it with snipers in the tower and HUMVEEs doing patrols with 50 Cals mounted on top.  Fort Knox also has alot of Apaches and a ton of M1 tanks there.  Distracting to be lining up a putt and hear machine guns and tanks firing in the backround, along with all the bugle calls for lunch dinner, etc.  

When I played Torrey Pines a few years ago I remember it was in the flight path for Miramar Naval Air Station(TOP GUN)

Trump International in Palm Beach is right next to the airport along with a very tall prison where the prisoners have been known to heckle the golfers.

Jonathan Cummings

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Re:Airports in play
« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2005, 08:00:34 AM »
Hickam, Coronado Air Station and Kaneohe MCAS are all other courses in very close proximity to active runways.  Actually, almost all air force courses are next to runways.

JC

Don Dinkmeyer

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Re:Airports in play
« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2005, 03:44:11 PM »
Lihue, Kauai - the Mokihana course of the Marriott complex (Kiele by Nicklaus, Mokihana) really skirts the airport. Kiele does for just a hole or two.

The intermittent cannon to scare the birds makes for a pleasant backswing, though... :P

Last time there, the local airlines Aloha and Hawaiian were bringing planes in every hour, it seemed. United and AA also have 'em from the mainland. Fortunately, noise abatement rules have dampened the local airline engines to a much more acceptable level.

Don't let it get in your head! ;)

Jfaspen

Re:Airports in play
« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2005, 06:48:15 PM »
One or 2 holes on the Jewel, the Grand Hotel's course on Mackinaw Island in Northern Michigan run against a landing strip for small planes.  I played there over 10 years ago and had a cessna land while I was playing a par 3.  


ian

Re:Airports in play
« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2005, 11:09:49 PM »
There is a course at Myrtle Beach (Cypress Bay I think) with a runway on the left of the 8th hole (this was 20 years ago :P). The hole sort of doglegs around the runway. We had to wait for a plane to land before playing the hole.

I tried the direct route and hit the ball about 500 yards by the green.
« Last Edit: March 20, 2005, 11:10:43 PM by Ian Andrew »

Brian_Ewen

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Re:Airports in play
« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2005, 11:49:09 PM »
Bill
The worst / best (?) one that I have seen is the Royal Thai Air Force course at Don Muang Airport in Bangkok .

The golf course runs right along beside the runways of the main international airport . Playing while 747's are taking off and landing is something else , and turbulence will affect your golf ball .

In 1999 , a Qantas 747 skidded on a wet runway and ploughed straight up one of the fairways .
http://www.newsphotos.com.au/ImageDetail.asp?RefNum=12694325

I am led to believe the course is closed to visitors at the moment due to its close proximity to aircraft and the amount of nutters going about during these times .

Regards.
Brian
« Last Edit: March 20, 2005, 11:52:39 PM by Brian_Ewen »

Andy Doyle

Re:Airports in play
« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2005, 09:25:33 AM »
There is a scruffy muni in Fresno right next to the airport called, yes, Airways.  It has several holes that run right along the main runway.

Because it has an extra-long runway, the Fresno Airport is frequently used by the Air National Guard fighters.  One day when I was playing, Air National Guard fighters were practicing "touch and go's" - briefly touching down on landing then putting the hammer down and roaring back into the sky.  The sound and vibration was incredible.

And to think the pros get rattled by the slightest camera click or heckling.  :)

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