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Pete Buczkowski

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Minnesota Lakes Region
« on: March 12, 2005, 12:03:39 PM »
I appeal to those who are familiar with the area.  Does this make for a nice vacation spot for a golfing couple?  

My wife would like to visit MoA for a day and is willing to trade for 4 days of golf.  What better way than the see the Jeff Brauer trail?  Could you all please comment on the must see courses and suggest a possible itinerary.  Some possibilities:

- Giants Ridge: Quarry and Legends.  Apparently the Legends is mandatory cart but the Quarry allows walking.  Fine for 36 hole days.
- Grand View Lodge:  Preserve, Pines, and Deacon's Lodge.  Which are the courses to play here?  I believe walking is always allowed.
- Wilderness at Fortune Bay
- Madden's on Gull Lake - Classic (we wouldn't stay here but is it worth a look?)

Can I rely on the Golfweek ratings here?  Is Deacon's Lodge really the best course of this bunch?  Is Madden's worth a stop?  I thought Giants Ridge was more highly regarded?  Are there any other courses we should try around Minneapolis or the Brainerd area?  We do not have access to the privates.

If we pull this trip off it will be late May, around Mem. Day.  We would welcome anyone to join us - if interested please leave me an IM.  Please note this is not a call for access.

Jason Topp

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Re:Minnesota Lakes Region
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2005, 10:29:25 PM »
I pretty strongly disagree with the golfweek rankings in the state.

You can stay in the Brainerd area and have several solid choices.  Just beware that that far North, even in late May, it is possible to have cold weather.  It probably will be fine but no guarantees.

The Classic is a must play course.  In my mind it is one of the best anywhere.  It was designed by the greenskeeper and is cut through georgous rolling forest with a natural lake.  It is kept in fantastic condition.  I've probably played it 30 times. Just beware it is a tough course with 2-3 forced carries.  

The Grand View Lodge courses are all pretty good.  

Deacon's Lodge is on the best site and could have been an incredible course, but it was dumbed down for resort play and the greens are on the slow side.  

The Pines was the first course in the area.  It probably has the most interesting layout and is very walkable.  Play the original 18 (Lakes, Woods). There are some strong par fours, great par threes and short par fives. The third nine (Marsh) is OK but a little gimmicky for my taste, is tighter and has more forced carries.  (The designer's trademark is to leave a tree in the middle of the fairway.  At least the last time I played there not enough on the Marsh had been struck by lightning).
The only drawback to the Pines is that the fairways are bluegrass.  

The Preserve is also a solid course, kept in great shape in a beautiful setting.  It has a great clubhouse with a real northwoods feel to it.  

I have not played but have never heard good things about the Cragun's courses in the area.

Giant's Ridge is a ways away from Brainerd.  I'm guessing two hours.  You could take in both areas on a tour.  Otherwise, you could focus on one or the other.  


The Legends course is a nice layout but is certainly a cart course.  I think the drive from 16 green to 17 tee must be a mile.  We usually have cart races by that point and try and run each other off the road.  

The Quarry is worthy of the accolades it has gotten.  The one downside to the course is that it can play quite slow due to a high percentage of customers that cannot hit it out of their shadow.

If you go to Giant's Ridge, definitely also play at Northland in Duluth.  It is a Donald Ross course basically on the side of a mountain with geogeous views of Lake Superior.  It is private, but access to the course is easy to get.  Just call in advance and ask whether you need to have your local pro set it up.
I also usually walk the course.

As for places to stay I recommend the following:

Brainerd:

Maddens
Grand View Lodge
Lost Lake Lodge

Definitely eat at Lost Lake Lodge even if you do not stay there.

Giant's Ridge - the main hotel at the resort is fine.  Otherwise stay in Duluth at Fittger's or at another spot near the canal.
« Last Edit: March 12, 2005, 10:31:34 PM by Jason Topp »

PThomas

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Re:Minnesota Lakes Region
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2005, 11:47:49 PM »
Hey Pete:  Jason said it well..I did the family vacation last year and played the Classic, Deacon's, Pines and Preserve.....from what I've read about Giant's Ridge, if I were you,I'd try to get up there too

have fun!

pt
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Jeff_Brauer

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Re:Minnesota Lakes Region
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2005, 09:49:47 AM »
Pete,

First, you have to tell us what the MoA is?  Museum of Art in MSP?

I agree that Brainerd and The Iron Range are perhaps two different trips.  Of the Brainerd courses, I agree Maddens and Deacon's Lodge are probably best.  It is a long drive to Biwabik from there, but I enjoy driving through the MN countryside.

If your trip includes MSP, I would suggest trying to get on some of the old clubs there, like White Bear Yacht Club (Ross) which is on the way up I-35 E to the Iron Range anyway.  Thompson, Raynor (U of M course) and others have good to great courses in MSP.

When you get up north, Northland is worth a play, although it has a new restoration by Craig Shreiner, so it isn't 'Pure".  Cloquet is the home to the world's only FLWright designed gas station, and the CC there claims the front nine is by Ross.  Brad Klien disagrees, but its likely one of his associates had something to do with it, as it looks a bit like Ross in spots.  The new nine is by Joel Goldstrand.  Another ancient and quirky nine is Esquagama CC, near Hoyt Lakes. No professional design anyhere, but a step back in time.  It is off of highway 4, east of the main artery of 53 and a bit harder to find.

There are some other casino courses like Black Bear in Cloquet but I can't recommend them.  If you were playing anywhere else in the range, Superior National in Lutzen (sp?) has spectacular lake views.

As to hotels, I do like the Lodge at GR, but the walls are paper thin. Ask specifically for a third floor room at the ends unless you want to hear the neighbors stumble in from the bar late at night, or you want them to hear you.  (Talk about local knowledge here!)

Actually, the hotel at the Wilderness is much quieter, and many rooms have lake views, but the rooms are smaller.  If the spouse would like a day of gambling it may be a better choice.  If she doesn't golf or gamble, my family loved the Bin Shulte Bear Preserve north of the Wilderness in Nett Lake, and the International Wolf Center in Ely.  

Ely is sort of a touristy, but romantic place to drive for dinner one night.  If you stay at the Lodge, go into Gilbert at least one night to eat at the Whistlling Bird, and upscale Jamacian restaurant that really told me the 90's had arrived - imagine a fancy restaurant like that in an old mining town!

I haven't found the Quarry to play that slow, however, I always get my tee times earlier in the morning.  If you tie in with a group, it may be best to share a cart.  When play is slow later in the day, standing versus sitting in a cart while waiting is easier on the back, even if you are walking the course the rest of the way.

BTW, its a 25 minute drive to the Wilderness, so in late may, its quite possible to play first thing one place, and get a second round in at the other, although if at the Lodge, playing both the GR courses in one day is easiest.

Let me know if you have any more questions.....
Jeff Brauer, ASGCA Director of Outreach

texsport

Re:Minnesota Lakes Region
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2005, 11:06:18 AM »
The Jeff Brauer courses are far superior to anything in Brainard so your trip can build to a peak after you leave The Mall.

The best of the Brainard courses is Deacons Lodge. It's a "looks hard-plays easier" course. Beautiful but wide open with a slope in the high 120s. Great log cabin clubhouse.

 If you are spending 4 days of golf I'd suggest 1 day at Deacons Lodge plus antique shopping for your wife plus 3 days farther north.

If you drive from Brainard to Biwabik you'll go thru some very remote areas with a lot of lakes and wildlife-watch out for the deer! You even cross the northern reaches of the Mississippi River enroute.

The Quarry is a masterpiece and a very challenging course. The slope of 146 indicates its challenge level. Spectacular elevated tee shots- bring your camera. The Legend is not as challenging but no slouch, as it has been  rated as the #1 public course in MN and 4.5 Stars in GD Places To Play Guide for several years running now!  Very isolated holes thru the forest make it a real "North Woods Experience".

The Wilderness is a hoot to play! More North Woods scenery and a bit of a gambler's course. Go for it!

At Giants Ridge I'd recommend the Villas. A series of condos along the lakeshore. Each has fireplace and kitchen, some with hot tubs. Tennis courts, pool and rental boats available for fishing in the evening. Very romantic spot!

Please note that if you plan on staying at a resort over a holiday, you may be required to rent for 2-3 days. Supply and demand!

The cast of the movie "Class Action" recently stayed at Giants Ridge. Woody Harrelson, Charlize Theron, and Francis McDormand stayed in the Villas. Sissy Spacek stayed at the Lodge.

For food, The Whistling Bird in Gilbert is good. It was Chalize Theron's hangout during her stay.

You might also try The Italian Bakery in Virginia for struddle,  pasties and potica.  http://www.potica.com

Other courses near Giants Ridge include Eveleth(short nine holer with nice views and $20 green fees) and Virginia Muni (18 holes on west side of Virginia) and Esquagama(nine hole semiprivate).

The north shore of Lake Superior is very scenic also and Superior National in Lutsen is spectacular, but I don't think you'll have enough time on this trip.

You'll never forget this trip!

« Last Edit: March 20, 2005, 09:18:52 AM by John Kendall,Sr. »

Pete Buczkowski

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Re:Minnesota Lakes Region
« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2005, 01:05:36 PM »
Thanks to Jason, Jeff, Paul & John for all of the comments.  You all are making the trip sound even better - I should definitely try to finagle some more time off!  Especially appreciate the restaurant tips & my wife says Thanks for the shopping info.

Jeff - Thanks for the insider knowledge.  It sounds like splurging for the cabins at Giants Ridge might be the way to go.  We really miss our fires since we moved to Orlando & it is low season for them after all.  MoA stands for Mall of America - I try to block it out too!  I just couldn't bring myself to write out the full name.  ;)  Looking forward to seeing some of your work.

I think we have 6 days total for the trip.  Its probably a bit ambitious to try both locations but we'd really like to see as much as possible.  I think the drive from Brainerd to Biwabik will be part of the fun of the trip.  My wife is fairly resilient and will play 36 a day herself - we will snag an early morning time to avoid the slow play.

I will definitely check in to Northland...however we will be there around Memorial Day so I don't want to disturb the membership.  

By your comments I take it the courses to see are in this order:

Brainerd
Deacon's Lodge/Classic
Pines/Preserve

Biwabik
Quarry @ GR
Northland*
Legend @ GR
Fortune Bay

Thanks again!
Pete

Jeff Shelman

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Re:Minnesota Lakes Region
« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2005, 03:08:34 PM »
Pete,

I think much of it has been covered. I think doing both Brainerd and Biwabik in one trip might be difficult. If you have to pick one, I would go with Biwabik.

Because as much as I like The Classic, the Brainerd area simply doesn't have the depth of courses that the Biwabik area has. The Quarry and The Wilderness are both really good (and within 30 minutes of each other) and a stopoff in Duluth to play Northland is an absolute must. It's a great golf course with great views and greens that will make you shake your head at times.

So are you going to play in the Twin Cities while your wife is shopping? If so, feel free to drop me a message and I can give you some ideas.

Jeff

Jeff_Brauer

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Re:Minnesota Lakes Region
« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2005, 05:07:51 PM »
Pete,

The more I think about it, the more I think you should skip Brainerd altogether.  If you wanted a non-Brauer modern course (although I can't imagine why ;) you could play the Bobby Weed course in Stillwater, which is also a cute little antique town for your wife.  Also, a dinner train is based there which, if you've never done, is a hoot.  Its not that far out of the way.

For a modern private, the John Fought Windsong west of town is very good, too.  There are others, but you can figure that out. First item of business is getting the notion out of your head that you want to go to two golf destinations in two different directions from MSP.

I didn't think Deacons Lodge played that easy....I recall a lot of tee shots constricted by wetlands.
Jeff Brauer, ASGCA Director of Outreach

Pete Buczkowski

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Re:Minnesota Lakes Region
« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2005, 12:12:15 PM »
OK guys I am becoming convinced that the one stop in Biwabik is the way to go.  Jeff - I thought you only had 3 courses in the area?   What will I do with the rest of my time? ;)  We might have to shorten the trip by a day anyways so that would make the decision easy.

Everyone's help is very much appreciated.

texsport

Re:Minnesota Lakes Region
« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2005, 12:48:31 PM »
Pete
     I'd agree that going to Biwabik directly is the plan I'd follow. If you want to play more than 3 courses, you might consider driving up through Ely(International Wolf Center- and Jim Brandenburg Gallery-Famous National Geographic photographer) and and then across thru the Superior National Forest (wilderness) to Lutsen and Superior National Golf Club(Wonderful views of Lake Superior). A great place to stay on Lake Superior is Bluefin Bay Hotel.(An award winner every year ). It's right on the water.You could also check the Lutsen lodging website for places to stay around Lutsen. Drive back down the North Shore of Lake Superior(Gooseberry Falls State Park is a nice stop)
     Then further down the North Shore is Duluth and Donald Ross' Northland CC.
     You may want to play The Quarry twice by the way! A popular thing to do is to spend 2 days at Giants Ridge and play each course twice.

Some websites of interest:

http://www.giantsridge.com  -don't miss the Virtual Tours
http://www.villasatgiantsridge.com
http://www.thewildernessgolf.com
http://www.irontrail.org
http://www.elyminnesota.com  -check out webcams
http://www.jimbrandenburg.com
http://www.wolf.org
http://www.superiornationalforest.org
http://www.superiornational.com
http://www.lutsenresort.com/lodging.htm
http://www.bluefinbay.com
http://www.northshoreinfo.com/stateparks/gooseberry.htm


    Remember that in northern Minnesota, the long summer daylight hours have begun by early June and you've got daylight until about 9-9:30 each night! You can play a lot of golf between 7AM and 9PM!


Approximate Driving Times Between Destinations:

It's about 3 1/2 to 4 hrs from Minneapolis to Biwabik/Giants Ridge.

It's about 30 minutes from Giants Ridge in Biwabik to the Wilderness.

Its an hour from Giants Ridge to Ely and 30 minutes from the Wilderness.

From Ely to Lutsen its about 3 hours.

From Lutsen to Duluth its about 3 hours.

From Duluth back to Minneapolis its 3 hours.

JK,Sr.
« Last Edit: March 18, 2005, 11:39:24 AM by John Kendall,Sr. »

Rick Shefchik

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Re:Minnesota Lakes Region
« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2005, 04:11:32 PM »
I don't need to add anything to what has already been said about the Giants Ridge courses, the Wilderness and Northland. Those are the must-plays.

The Classic is good enough to justify the trip to Brainerd, as well, in my opinion. I've played Bobby Weed's StoneRidge in Stillwater many more times, and I like it a lot, but I'd rather play The Classic.

As for Deacon's Lodge, consider this a minority opinion: I thought it was too much target golf, due to the prevalence of wetlands all over the site. The EPA had as much to do with that course as Palmer did.

The original Legacy course at Cragun's is pretty good, except for some curious split fairways and multiple teeboxes that make walking harder than it should have been (that's based on a round a few years ago; maybe they've made it more walker-friendly since then.) I haven't played the newer 27.

At the Brainerd courses in particular, bring bug spray -- even in May. You can't be too careful.
"Golf is 20 percent mechanics and technique. The other 80 percent is philosophy, humor, tragedy, romance, melodrama, companionship, camaraderie, cussedness and conversation." - Grantland Rice

texsport

Re:Minnesota Lakes Region
« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2005, 04:43:11 PM »
I agree Deacon's Lodge is target oriented-you need to know where the correct target is to avoid trouble and set up the next shot. You can drive it through a couple of doglegs if you aren't careful. (#9 is an example-easy, downhill par 5 but the trees on the right are really in play)

The wetlands on this course are more for looks than anything. In most cases you can just bust it over the wetlands and not worry.(#1 is an example)

There are a couple of holes where very nasty bounces reside around the greens and the first time player, not being aware, can get some unbelievable kicks into the deep grass right next to the greens.(I think #10 is such a hole).

Nice course but you can just let it fly off most tees without any real danger. The further you can hit it the better without penalty.

Wearing light colored clothing plus bug spray on your neck and arms for sand flies (not mosquitos as some would think) is always a good idea early in the season, but once applied, you're set.(they're attracted to dark clothing).
« Last Edit: January 18, 2006, 05:14:28 PM by John Kendall,Sr. »

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