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Phil_the_Author

Tillinghast Biography
« on: August 09, 2005, 05:38:13 AM »
I had not meant to post a topic on this, but because so many have asked privately the question, "When the hell is it finally coming out?" I am pleased to direct you to the GOLFOnline special PGA Championship website:

http://www.golfonline.com/golfonline/pgachampionship/2005

I hope you enjoy the excerpt and to MANY on-site, thank you very much for all the help, encouragement and "tweaking!" I really do wish I could have mentioned all by name, but my publisher felt it would take up too many pages!  ;D

And so I thanked everyone as follows in my acknowledgements, "From Dave Catalano at Bethpage State Park to Ran Morrisset and our fellow golf architecture junkies at GolfClubAtlas.com to Neil Regan, Steve Lapper, Garth Bishop, Tom Macwood, and many others who gave of their time in discussing, reading and letting me know their opinions. All of you provided such wonderful help to me in this project and I thank each of you named or not."

T_MacWood

Re:Tillinghast Biography
« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2005, 07:23:17 AM »
Phil
Very nice article. Is the book out?

I thought the old man died in March 1918, and my impression is Baltusrol engaged Tilly in 1917. There was an article in the NY Times in late 1917 anouncing the club would be creating two new 18's from the existing 18.

Wasn't George Low, the pro at Balstusrol, Tilly's psuedo arcitectural partner at the time?

Phil_the_Author

Re:Tillinghast Biography
« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2005, 11:51:13 AM »
Hello Tom,

Thank you for the kind words. There will be a leather-bound Limited Edition in a slip-case cover available starting sometime in September (just waiting for printer to deliver it for binding). The Classics of Golf web-site will be taking advance orders for it in about a week or two. The trade edition is scheduled for just after the beginning of November.

I also, once again, want to thank you for the lively debates we've had on all things Tilly. At times you've been taken to task and had some very hearty duels with a few on the board (including me) and yet They resulted in uncovering some previously unknown facts and observations that ended up playing a role in my bio. So, don't ever put down your sword!

His father died in May. The family supplied me with the records and confirmed all dates involving births, deaths and in-betweens, by either documents or confirmed family history.

As far as George Low being "Tilly's psuedo arcitectural partner at the time?" consider this. During the time frame of 1917 onward, Low had become so busy with outside interests that by late 1919 he considered resigning his position with the club. They convinced him to stay by granting him a six-month leave of abscens from May to November 1920. He went to Scotland to pursue his business interests there. When he finally left baltusrol in 1925, he pursued work as a course architect full-time.

Yet he wasn't just interested in architecture. For example, he had a thriving club-making business that was so successful he opened a second shop, doing work for golfers throughout the U.S. In addition he was very interested in inventing practicle tools. It was his furrowed rake that was used at Oakmont and other courses.

At Baltusrol, he was very involved in refining and improving the old course, and held it in high regard, almost as being "his."

On the other hand, Tilly gave his plans to the Board for approval in December 1918. They showed his routings of the two courses, meaning that Low's beloved old course would be destroyed, something he would not have been wanting to see happen. Tilly was a man with a very large ego, yet his ethics motivated him to giving credit to thers wherever he could. His advertisements of himself always read "the creator of Baltusrol" and he firmly believed it to be a creation rather than a design. It was his from start to finish.

An interesting side note is that the story written by Herb Graffis where he wrote, "The laborer and the mule would occasionally get a sniff of Tilly's richly-flavored exhaust and knew they were working for a man of great power and artistry..." turns out to have been from the mouth of George Low Jr.

According to the late and very great sports writer, Red Hoffman, confirmed to me in his own words in a telephone conversation the year before he died, George Jr. had told him that he made this story up about Tilly and his sitting under the tree with the flask in hand! He also said this to Rick Wolffe on another occasion. I have been following-up on some leads for a while now to confirm the veracity of this statement.

If true, which I believe it to be, it is highly ironic when you consider how 2 of Tilly's great works, Baltusrol & Bethpage, have found his genius under attack by the "memories" of little children brought to light when adults. In both cases, they appear to be finally discredited.

T_MacWood

Re:Tillinghast Biography
« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2005, 03:33:56 PM »
Phil
George Low collaborate with Tillinghast at Quaker Ridge, the year prior to the Baltusrol commission. Seeing they working together do you think Low would look at Tilly's involvement at Baltusrol in such a negative light? It doesn't make sense.

I suspect they also collaborated at Somerset Hills and Essex County, and possibly Bluff Point and Shackamaxon.

From what I understand holes from the original 18 were incorporated into the two new courses, so in a way the old course wasn't destroyed.

Was Low the pro and greenkeeper at Baltusrol or just the pro?

I don't read the comments of Low's son as disrespectful or most likely inaccurate. Tilly was a drinker and he was a great architect. And Low-Sr. would have known both from his experiences at Quaker Ridge and Baltusrol and quite possibly elsewhere.

PS: I got the date of BC Tillinghast's death from the April 1918 issue of American Golfer; it reported he died March 12.

T_MacWood

Re:Tillinghast Biography
« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2005, 01:56:49 PM »
Phil
I'm curious why you chose that particular photo for the cover?

Robert Kimball

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Re:Tillinghast Biography
« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2005, 02:19:21 PM »
Phil, I saw the last part of your interview with Brian Katrek and the guys on Sports Night on CSS here in Atlanta. I wish I had seen the whole thing. What specifics did you cover in the early part of the appearence?

I will keep my eyes open this winter in the book stores. Could be a Christmas present to myself!!  :)

Let's tee it up sometime here in the ATL. -- Rob

Phil_the_Author

Re:Tillinghast Biography
« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2005, 08:55:05 PM »
Tom, you asked, "I'm curious why you chose that particular photo for the cover?"

I didn't. I prefered a different one, but that decision is made by my publisher, Classics of Golf, as was the final title, "Tillinghast: Creator of Golf Courses." My original title, "The Terror and the Whiffensnoozer," is the title for Volume I & Volume II is "Philosophies of Design and His Golf Courses." It will be coming out with both Volumes bound as a single edition.

Some have asked me and so here is a list of what is in the table of contents:

VOLUME I
Introduction
Prologue - Looking Back at Genius
Part One - His Youth
Part Two - The Author and the Architect
Part Three – Golf in the Era of the Great Gatsby
Part Four - The Crash and the Fall
Part Five - The PGA and a Rebirth
Part Six - Toledo and the Final Act
Part Seven - A Look Back at a Life
A Message from the Tillinghast Association
Acknowledgements

VOLUME II

Part One - Philosophies of Design
Part Two - Of Bethpage and the Black
Part Three - Tilly the Prophet
Appendices:
Tilly’s Courses
Tillinghast: Year-by-Year
The PGA Course Consultation Tour
Tilly and Ross
Tilly, Crump and Pine Valley
Time’s Top Ten
The Amateur Question
Index
General Bibliography
A Message from the Tillinghast Association
Acknowledgements

T_MacWood

Re:Tillinghast Biography
« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2005, 11:28:27 AM »
Phil
Looks good.

In your opinion what were Tilly's greatest designs?

In your research did you find his architectural style evolved over the years?

PS: In the August 1919 issue of Golf Illustrated there is an article on the new Baltusrol courses under construction. The article says the courses were a Tillinghast/George Low collaboration, which makes sense since they had collaborated at Quaker Ridge previously.

I'm still not sure if they collaborated at Bluff Point, Essex County, Shackamaxon or Somerset Hills.

TEPaul

Re:Tillinghast Biography
« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2005, 11:58:51 AM »
Phil:

Do you think Tillinghast "sold out" his architectural principles when he agreed to go on that tour in the mid '30s for the PGA of America?

wsmorrison

Re:Tillinghast Biography
« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2005, 12:18:50 PM »
Looking forward to your work in print, Phil.  Were you able to determine when Tillinghast first accepted payment for his architectural work?  In a conversation I had with John Yerger III he told me it was far earlier than I had realized.

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