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David_Tepper

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'Nicklaus By Design' on sale!
« on: December 15, 2004, 12:30:03 PM »
If anyone is looking to pick up a copy of 'Nicklaus By Design', Jack's book on GCA. Go to:

www.bookcloseouts.com

They are selling it for $9.99

Don Dinkmeyer

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Re:'Nicklaus By Design' on sale!
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2004, 12:44:24 PM »
Thanks for the heads up. With postage et al its less than $15 and more than worth it...

BCrosby

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Re:'Nicklaus By Design' on sale!
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2004, 04:05:38 PM »
I had low expectations for the book but was quite pleasantly surprised. Well written (Chris Millard is very good) with some interesting insights from JN on gca.

The book deserves a place on your shelf.

Bob

Rick Shefchik

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Re:'Nicklaus By Design' on sale!
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2004, 04:25:37 PM »


This hole seems made for a power fade...
"Golf is 20 percent mechanics and technique. The other 80 percent is philosophy, humor, tragedy, romance, melodrama, companionship, camaraderie, cussedness and conversation." - Grantland Rice

Jfaspen

Re:'Nicklaus By Design' on sale!
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2004, 07:36:03 PM »
Thanks, picked up 2 :)

Tom_Doak

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Re:'Nicklaus By Design' on sale!
« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2004, 08:54:10 AM »
You know, I was sort of hoping that Jack would give me one of those.

Then again, I haven't given him a copy of The Anatomy of a Golf Course, either.  That'd be a good Xmas gift.

Michael Dugger

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Re:'Nicklaus By Design' on sale!
« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2004, 09:31:00 PM »
You know, I was sort of hoping that Jack would give me one of those.


Which one?  A copy of the book or a power fade?

What does it matter if the poor player can putt all the way from tee to green, provided that he has to zigzag so frequently that he takes six or seven putts to reach it?     --Alistair Mackenzie--

Tony Petersen

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Re:'Nicklaus By Design' on sale!
« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2004, 05:04:43 PM »
 ;) Thanks for the tip... Also have some great books by Feinstein if anyone if looking to add to the collection... Bottom line is 5.99 for a Feinstein hardcover is a bargain, to say the least!!! Thanks again.
Ski - U - Mah... University of Minnesota... "Seven beers followed by two Scotches and a thimble of marijuana and it's funny how sleep comes all on it's own.”

ed_getka

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Re:'Nicklaus By Design' on sale!
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2005, 04:34:33 PM »
I picked up this book for the $10 bargain price, and so far have found it enjoyable. I am wondering about something Nicklaus commented on with regard to his left to right shot shape. Nicklaus points out that the Scioto he grew up playing had 11 of 14 driving holes with OB or trouble on the right and that is why he learned to drive the ball left to right. That seems backwards to me, but then maybe that is why I am a 12 handicap and Nicklaus is one of the all time greats. Do you think you would have developed Nicklaus' ball flight if you grew up on Scioto?

BTW, I never knew that Harbour Town was Nicklaus' project and he invited Dye to collaborate with him. I always assumed it was the opposite.

Another trivia tidbit, the Scioto redesign by Wilson was actually, front nine von Hagge, and back nine Joe Lee.
"Perimeter-weighted fairways", The best euphemism for containment mounding I've ever heard.

Rick Shefchik

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Re:'Nicklaus By Design' on sale!
« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2005, 05:03:34 PM »
Ed -- My guess is that it was more about control than about a particular shot shape to fit a particular course. His teacher, Jack Grout, was a Hogan disciple, and he knew Hogan became consistent when he developed a fade.

Why would he write that it was the OB right at Scioto that made him develop a fade? Well, it was a long time ago, and maybe he's forgotten the real reason. I agree with you -- the reason he states doesn't make much sense.
"Golf is 20 percent mechanics and technique. The other 80 percent is philosophy, humor, tragedy, romance, melodrama, companionship, camaraderie, cussedness and conversation." - Grantland Rice

George Pazin

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Re:'Nicklaus By Design' on sale!
« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2005, 05:11:15 PM »
I think the logic is start off aiming away from the trouble and bring the ball back into the fairway.

Do I need to say that, like Bobby Jones, Jack plays a game with which I'm not familiar? Who would've thought me and Bobby Jones would share something golf related? :)

What would you give Jack for Christmas? I'm thinking a nice OSU sweatshirt.

Or maybe just a tape of the '86 Masters with a nice thank you letter....
Big drivers and hot balls are the product of golf course design that rewards the hit one far then hit one high strategy.  Shinny showed everyone how to take care of this whole technology dilemma. - Pat Brockwell, 6/24/04

Doug Sobieski

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Re:'Nicklaus By Design' on sale!
« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2005, 07:21:48 PM »
Ed:

Here is one instructional school of thought on why a player would favor a fade with a lot of trouble right.

From a physics standpoint, there are seven potential ball flights a player can hit. These assume a right-handed player.

Starts left and curves left (pull hook)
Starts left and stays straight (pull)
Starts left and curves right (fade or slice)
Starts straight/stays straight (the most rare of shots)
Starts right and curves left (draw or hook)
Starts right and stays straight (push)
Starts right and curves right (push slice)

In the case of Scioto with OB right, the last ball flight (push slice) is the only flight that could ever go OB. Jack was probably fairly certain that he'd NEVER hit a push slice, given that his bread and butter started slightly left .

For a good player who knows that his ball will always start left (a la JWN), he can aim his ball so that even if his ball curves TWICE as much as intended, it won't go OB right. However, a player that always starts the ball right and tries to work the ball away from the trouble can hit the ball OB right if it doesn't curve, or if he double crosses it.

Picture a good player standing on the tee of a par 3 with water right of the green and the hole location on the right. The two possibilities are to aim left and work the ball into the hole, or aim at the hazard and work away from it. Most players that can curve the ball both ways will identify early on which way they prefer to play. As a teenager, I read a column by Johnny Miller on exactly this, and that helped me to learn that I was better off as a player that works the ball toward the trouble. For example, in the above scenario, I know that I will RARELY hit a ball that goes too far right into the hazard if I'm trying to cut it (I'm more apt to double cross it that over cut it).

As you can imagine, there is an opposite camp that may suggest working it away from the trouble, but I've never visited that camp!!

All the best,

Doug

ed_getka

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Re:'Nicklaus By Design' on sale!
« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2005, 10:50:58 PM »
I started out in the game playing left to right off the tee, until after years of practice I could practically get it to come back to the tee like a boomerang. At that point I took woods out of my bag for 3-4 years, until I was hitting 2 iron off the tee, and the occasional 1 iron. At that point I figured if I can hit a 1iron, I MUST be able to hit a wood, and I haven't been too bad since.
  However, in my "prime" I could easily put it OB right, even if I aimed left at a parallel fairway!
"Perimeter-weighted fairways", The best euphemism for containment mounding I've ever heard.

Don Dinkmeyer

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Re:'Nicklaus By Design' on sale!
« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2005, 12:41:44 AM »
Thanks for bringing the book to our attention - it just arrived and for a ten, its a bargain!