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Adam_F_Collins

Architect "Family Tree"
« on: January 05, 2005, 09:48:35 PM »
If you were to start with the earliest architects and chart connections through apprenticeship (or partnership/close working relationship), how many of todays architects would have a direct 'lineage' back to the beginning?

Where are the breaks in the lines? How many architects have come to the business and functioned as professionals on their own, directly - without learning from an established architect or acting as an associate?

The point is an examination of how small the realm of golf course architecture really is compared to something like building architecture, or landscape architecture.

How 'tight' is that community and it's origins?

Adam_F_Collins

Re:Architect "Family Tree"
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2005, 09:49:47 PM »
...or

is that an entirely uninteresting line of questioning?

Joe Hancock

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Re:Architect "Family Tree"
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2005, 09:56:20 PM »
Adam,

I couldn't find a link at ASGCA.org, but I'm sure they have a document that outlines just what you described. Bruce Matthews III gave a bunch of us a copy last winter at a lunch in Battle Creek, MI.

I'll see if I can find my copy, or a link.

Joe
" What the hell is the point of architecture and excellence in design if a "clever" set up trumps it all?" Peter Pallotta, June 21, 2016

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paul cowley

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Re:Architect "Family Tree"
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2005, 10:31:22 PM »
....Adam , look for me under epiphyites.
« Last Edit: January 05, 2005, 10:33:47 PM by paul cowley »
paul cowley...golf course architect/asgca

David_Tepper

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Re:Architect "Family Tree"
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2005, 10:51:37 PM »
Adam-

The Sports Illustrated 'Golf Plus' supplement had just such a diagram in one of their issues a year or two ago. It may have been in the issue that had the article about gca.com and had the esteemed Mr. T. Noccarato on the cover.

Believe it or not, I may still have that issue in my 'files.'  If I can find it, I will let you know.

You might also contact Ran Morrissett directly. I imagine he may have a copy of the SI issue with the article about gca.com. Ask him if the GCA 'family tree' diagram is in the same issue.  

DT

Scott_Burroughs

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Re:Architect "Family Tree"
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2005, 11:52:29 PM »
David,

It was not the same issue as the GCA issue.  They were about 1-2 months apart in 2002.  The family tree article showed the top 6 trees (as judged by the editors), all of which were compiled by Geoffrey Cornish.

Tommy_Naccarato

Re:Architect "Family Tree"
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2005, 12:00:19 AM »
David,

Its not in that paticular issue--they had a hard enough of a time trying to find space to fit my picture in there! :)

I actually had the "tree" scanned and up for posting, but tossed it from my hard drive when I saw that the balless Howard Maurer aka BY was considered a notable architect in golf history!

I was talking with Scott Burroughs tonight and he will try to post it later tomorrow. (today for some of you)

David_Tepper

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Re:Architect "Family Tree"
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2005, 08:52:52 AM »
Scott & Tommy,

As usual, thanks for your help!

DT

BCrosby

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Re:Architect "Family Tree"
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2005, 08:58:30 AM »
As I recall that "tree" was also published in the Cornish book used in the Harvard Summer School gca course. I forget the name of the book.

Bob

Adam_F_Collins

Re:Architect "Family Tree"
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2005, 09:34:36 AM »
Thank you, gents

I'll look forward to seeing it. I'd also like to read the article about GCA...

Scott_Burroughs

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Re:Architect "Family Tree"
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2005, 05:08:16 PM »
I don't think I said I'd post it, Tommy, maybe you said something when your phone kept cutting out from the dead battery.   ;)

As for the list, I'm a little cautious about posting it, since it was appended with a "do not copy, etc."-type message.  I guess if I cite it properly, with acknowldegments, etc. it might be alright.

Brad Klein

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Re:Architect "Family Tree"
« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2005, 07:59:33 PM »
Sadly, there are still many States in the Union where natural evolution from the original Edenic Scottish golf garden (a.k.a. "links") cannot be taught.

There, they rely upon an alternative, totally unscientific theory of spontaneous combustion, whereby the art of golf course design is said to have started one day in 1981 when bulldozers took over the earth, fueled as they were by the God of modernism himself.

GeoffreyC

Re:Architect "Family Tree"
« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2005, 09:40:11 AM »
Excellent Dr. Klein

Would it be Pete Dye or Tom Fazio playing the role of the modern day Moses laying the creationism creed down for all to follow?

ANTHONYPIOPPI

Re:Architect "Family Tree"
« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2005, 11:28:18 PM »
“Then the eyes of both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves aprons, then built containment mounding and waterfalls.

"And then they heard the sound of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God among the trees of the course"

Genesis 3: 7-8