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Chris Munoz

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Greens Construction
« on: October 24, 2004, 05:55:26 PM »
Just want to know what you guys prefer for green construction; USGA, California, or Push-Up Green Construction.  I haven't experienced working with USGA yet, but have experienced with sand-based and simplified.  This past summer, I worked with sand-based greens.  I can tell you this sand-base greens take a lot of tender loving care, then any other green construction.

Chris Munoz
Christian C. Munoz
Assistant Superintendent Corales
PUNTACANA Resort & Club
www.puntacana.com

Jason Mandel

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Re:Greens Construction
« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2004, 05:58:42 PM »
I'm not an expert on maintaining greens but I can tell you that the new greens at my course are sand-based, and they have been fantasitic.  I have not seen any greens within the Philadelphia area in better shape than ours.  

Most of the greens in our area are of the pushup variety, and while I enjoy putting on them, they often have drainage problems.

Jason
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Chris Munoz

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Re:Greens Construction
« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2004, 09:48:17 AM »
Jason, who designed your course which you play on?  I know for a fact that some architects spec. for sand-based greens.  I think it all depends on the specific kind of bentgrass which one puts on there putting surface.  

Chris Munoz
Christian C. Munoz
Assistant Superintendent Corales
PUNTACANA Resort & Club
www.puntacana.com

Jason Mandel

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Re:Greens Construction
« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2004, 10:30:44 AM »
Chris,

Bobby Weed re-designed our course.  I am pretty sure he used A-1 Bent grass, I know its bent but not 100 percent positive on the strain.

Jason
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Craig Disher

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Re:Greens Construction
« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2004, 11:12:48 AM »
Chris,
I'm aware of courses that have used modern bent strains on native soil push up greens. They are doing fine. In my area (DC/Balt), some of the best greens are native soil and poa. In every case though, AM sunlight, good surface drainage, careful monitoring of irrigation, and air movement are critically important.

Given the high cost of USGA-spec greens, I've never been convinced that they're worth the extra money. California greens are an interesting (and much less expensive) alternative but around here I don't if anyone has tried them.
« Last Edit: October 25, 2004, 11:13:14 AM by Craig Disher »

Steve_Lemmon

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Re:Greens Construction
« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2004, 11:46:36 AM »
Hey guys:  what is California greens construction?

Chris Munoz

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Re:Greens Construction
« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2004, 12:30:43 PM »
Craig, I agree with your response.  I do believe that push-up greens are the way to go.  However, there are some concepts which need to be put into place.  First, there needs to be sufficient drainage, a good topdressing program, and enough air movement.  If one puts those concepts into play on a push-up green, it will be a great putting surface.  I know of superintendents who have put these practices into action.  Also, the kind of bentgrass who one has, and if one wants to deal with Poa annua.  The drawbacks of Poa; are anthracnose, insect damage, and stressing out the leaf blade of the turf.  So one has to think about what they want, when it comes to a greens construction.

California greens are made with a pure sand root zone above the subsoil and a drainage system of pipe surrounded by gravel. Again, the sand, gravel and construction is set to specifications. The advantage of the California green is its cost, approximately half that of the USGA green. They also do not suffer the compaction and drainage problems of soil-based greens. These greens can be difficult to grow-in because fertility is difficult to manage in the sand root zone.

Chris
Christian C. Munoz
Assistant Superintendent Corales
PUNTACANA Resort & Club
www.puntacana.com

Steve_Lemmon

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Re:Greens Construction
« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2004, 06:31:54 PM »
Thanks for the explanation.  I have been playing on them and didn't know it.