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Paul Richards

Beverly Country Club - before/after - 12th hole
« on: September 23, 2004, 06:59:19 AM »
The following are the evolution of the twelfth at Beverly, which, on a magazine cover in the '20's, proclaimed it as one of the 'best short holes in the West'.

The first was taken during a practice round at the 1931 National Amateur.

The second was from the 1960's.

The third was in the 1990's.

The last is the restored version.  

Cheers!
"Something has to change, otherwise the never-ending arms race that benefits only a few manufacturers will continue to lead to longer courses, narrower fairways, smaller greens, more rough, more expensive rounds, and other mechanisms that will leave golf's future in doubt." -  TFOG

Brian_Gracely

Re:Beverly Country Club - before/after - 12th hole
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2004, 07:22:16 AM »
#12 during 1931 US-Amateur


#12 during 1960s


#12 recently ("before")


#12 "after"


A_Clay_Man

Re:Beverly Country Club - before/after - 12th hole
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2004, 07:55:32 AM »
Paul & Brian, Thanks for posting these historical pictorials.

My fortune cookie Sunday night read; " A picture is worth ten thousand words".

I believe you have shown that truth to be self-evident.

Thanks,
adam

Evan Fleisher

Re:Beverly Country Club - before/after - 12th hole
« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2004, 09:18:55 AM »
Neat to see all of those pics in a row and how the hole has evolved over time.
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TEPaul

Re:Beverly Country Club - before/after - 12th hole
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2004, 09:44:53 AM »
Paul:

A couple of observations;

First, that really interesting stagger of eras shows wonderfully the original grassed down style of bunkering of Ross and how that style was either redesigned at some point or simply evolved slowly over time to a more sand flashed face look probably through maintenance practices. This thread and that evolution of photos is a very good one for someone like Tom MacWood to take in and appreciate.

And secondly, that first photo, the 1920 US Amateur photo, shows a green that has a most interesting and distinct "tongue" in the front left of the green. It'd seem that perhaps should have been restored. But to do so you can tell that the front and left bunkering arrangement and earthwork above it would have had to be redone (restored) in the recent Prichard restoration (it certainly appears that was redesigned to some extent at some point after that 1920 photo). Is there any reason you know of why that US Amateur photo was not used as the template to restore exactly to?
« Last Edit: September 23, 2004, 09:46:47 AM by TEPaul »

SPDB

Re:Beverly Country Club - before/after - 12th hole
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2004, 11:58:37 AM »
TEPaul -
The same thing occurred to me. Paul - what was the target date for this hole, because the recent version bears only a passing resemblance to the 1920 hole. I don't mean this as a criticism, just curious what the restoration strategy was on this hole. Another thing is that b/c of the respective angles of the photo, the comparison could be skewed.

Also, in the 1920 photo am I seeing correctly a tiny bunker in front of the larger fronting bunker which looks like it abuts the pond?

Paul Richards

Re:Beverly Country Club - before/after - 12th hole
« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2004, 12:14:32 PM »
tom

the pic is actually from a practice round from the 1931 National Amateur.

>Is there any reason you know of why that US Amateur photo was not used as the template to restore exactly to?

actually, it was pretty faithfully followed.

thses photos don't do justice to how well prichard actually did in this regard.

there was a bunker left that was cut off in the '31 pic that ron put back in.  this must have been removed years ago.  

at the front right and left of the '31 green, a couple 'mae wests' appeared - ron put those back in.  

as far as the 'tongue' you referred to, perhaps that area isn't as large as it had been between the hazard and green.  after all, the pond has been reworked and dug-out over the years and probably expanded a bit.

a couple other points to note:  this hole only played about a max of 130 yards back in '31.  in the ensuing years, yardage was added to the back of this tee, but even up to last year, anyone playing at about 140 yards or back could not see the water.

so ron raised the back tee, shortened the front of the tee, shaved a bit of surface from tee to water, and raised the water-table 18-inches so now the hazard is visible from any where on the tee. a marked improvement!

this being the only water hazard on the course, some may question why seeing water - that shouldn't even come into play for most players - should be important.  this improvement was emphasized when a well-known pro rinsed his tee shot in our recent pro-am! ;) ;)
"Something has to change, otherwise the never-ending arms race that benefits only a few manufacturers will continue to lead to longer courses, narrower fairways, smaller greens, more rough, more expensive rounds, and other mechanisms that will leave golf's future in doubt." -  TFOG

T_MacWood

Re:Beverly Country Club - before/after - 12th hole
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2004, 01:06:35 PM »
TE
Thanks for the friendly advice, but I've devoted a modest amount of research to Beverly and its architectural evolution. If you look back at what many consider the course's architectural heyday--the early 30's--you will find a golf course with a very interesting combination of atypical grass-faced bunkers (with those wide bulbous togues of grass and sand) and sand splashed bunkers (some fairly large).

Paul Richards

Re:Beverly Country Club - before/after - 12th hole
« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2004, 05:18:29 PM »
Tom

Will you be at Beverly soon?

 ;)
"Something has to change, otherwise the never-ending arms race that benefits only a few manufacturers will continue to lead to longer courses, narrower fairways, smaller greens, more rough, more expensive rounds, and other mechanisms that will leave golf's future in doubt." -  TFOG

RJ_Daley

Re:Beverly Country Club - before/after - 12th hole
« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2004, 06:40:34 PM »
It looks like Prichard got it just right.  Look at the photo of his latest restoration work.  Then look at page 79 in "Golf Has Never Failed Me.
No actual golf rounds were ruined or delayed, nor golf rules broken, in the taking of any photographs that may be displayed by the above forum user.

TEPaul

Re:Beverly Country Club - before/after - 12th hole
« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2004, 06:35:13 PM »
"TE
Thanks for the friendly advice, but I've devoted a modest amount of research to Beverly and its architectural evolution."

Tom MacW:

You're welcome. I thought it was worth a mention, as in recent weeks and months you seemed to be on a bit of a jag about Ross bunkers that're sand flashed up seemingly almost everywhere---and seemingly on some courses such as original Aronimink where they appear to have been half grass faced down at least.

tlavin

Re:Beverly Country Club - before/after - 12th hole
« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2004, 12:42:47 PM »
The photos show a couple interesting developments.  First, the tree removal is rather dramatic.  Second, the bunkering has been renovated, but not copied.  Third, the green is quite large now, when compared to the photo from 1931.  The green was expanded in the early 1980's after years of difficulty with the health of the turf grass.  At that time, they apparently didn't think of giving the green more air and light, simply more space.  While it has obviously given the superintendant many more useable hole locations, there is no doubt that the inherent design characteristics of the green have been altered significantly.  Prichard opted to keep the larger green for his renovation, mostly because we had added about forty yards of teeing ground to the hole and the larger green would be more accomodating of a longer iron off the tee.

TEPaul

Re:Beverly Country Club - before/after - 12th hole
« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2004, 08:33:59 PM »
That green in the 1931 photo had to be really small width-wise. Just look at the scale of the size of those players on that green in that photo in relation to the width of that green. The green couldn't have been more than about 9-10 steps across and that's really narrow. I think the rear of Riviera's #10 green is about the narrowest I've ever seen and I walked off only 7 steps on the back of that one.

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