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Brian_Gracely

New tree in #18 fairway at Pebble Beach
« on: September 17, 2004, 01:36:54 PM »
Had some time to kill on Wednesday, so I walked down #18.  Not sure how long it's been there, but there is a new tree in the fairway on #18 at Pebble Beach.  I didn't get a chance to take a picture, but it's about parallel with the end of the 1st fairway bunker (right) and sits in the right 1/3 of the fairway.  I'd say the tree is about 15' tall right now.  And if I had to guess, I'd say it's about 280yds from the back tees.
« Last Edit: September 18, 2004, 12:39:56 PM by Brian_Gracely »

Jason Tetterton

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Re:New tree in #18 fairway at Pebble Beach
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2004, 01:57:31 PM »
Didn't see to come into play during the First Tee tournament a couple of weeks ago.

TEPaul

Re:New tree in #18 fairway at Pebble Beach
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2004, 07:10:57 AM »
I always felt the tree in the middle of the fairway on Pebble's #18 as well as the tree to the right of the green on #18 was just part of the unique character of that hole and made the hole special. Sure, it might appear to violate some principle of golf architecture but so what? I feel the same way about the trees directly behind the mid-fairway bunkering on #17 CPC that Alister MacKenzie originally did. I even feel the same way about all the trees IN and completely AROUND all that bunkering on the right side of CPC's #18 that MacKenzie originally had.

I think in golf architecture doing stuff like that---eg basically breaking what some think are the "rules" or "principles" of golf architecture is a good thing. It creates that undefinable but necessary "difference" in the art of golf architecure!

It's a bit like the great and unexpected joke---it CAN go over really well just so long as the comedian doesn't repeat it to the same crowd too often!    ;)

In a real way this is sort of how I look at the unique architecture of Pete Dye. Pete's unquestionably a great architect in many ways but his penchant for the occasional "offbeat" in architecture sort of put him at the top. How that works and why in the evolution of architecture just may be eternally mysterious---because so much of the "offbeat" in architecture just bombs right out of the box!

It's not just the famous architects either, in my opinion. An example is up to 3-4 holes at a course in Fernandina Beach called Royal Amelia Links that might not even make it. I can't even remember who the architect is---somebody most on here have never heard of though. There're those 3-4 holes down there that are pretty unusual to unique that some might hate or certainly might make some scratch their heads---but you remember them and they create real interest. It just seems like there're ways to play them that although seemingly "offbeat" is nonetheless gratifying in some way. That's generally good enough for me.
« Last Edit: September 18, 2004, 07:26:19 AM by TEPaul »

A_Clay_Man

Re:New tree in #18 fairway at Pebble Beach
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2004, 12:06:02 PM »
Brian, I'm a bit confused. You do mean the tree is in the right third of the fairway, don't you? And since they added the longer bunker (farther from tee) on the right, you weren't referencing that one, but the shorter one that has been there for awhile?

Tom- There's irony in them thar words.

Some of Pete's most "offbeat" work has been altered to fit the expected norms.

The original 10th at BWR was as flat as a pancake, but was as steep as a high rise. And now i'm really intrigued about the five tier green that use to be at Carmel Valley Ranch's #14.

Brian_Gracely

Re:New tree in #18 fairway at Pebble Beach
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2004, 12:39:40 PM »
Brian, I'm a bit confused. You do mean the tree is in the right third of the fairway, don't you? And since they added the longer bunker (farther from tee) on the right, you weren't referencing that one, but the shorter one that has been there for awhile?


Oops, typo......Yes, the right 1/3 of the fairway.

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