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rgkeller

Re:Convicted Felons as Members
« Reply #25 on: September 08, 2004, 06:28:16 PM »
There must be more than one set of felon/snitches at Deepdale as your description of the respective golfing abilities does not match with my set.

SPDB

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Re:Convicted Felons as Members
« Reply #26 on: September 08, 2004, 06:46:34 PM »
that's remarkable indeed. the pair i'm thinking of could play in the mixed felon scramble.

Top100Guru

Re:Convicted Felons as Members
« Reply #27 on: September 08, 2004, 07:20:22 PM »
I think some of the "Gangsta" types from Leewood drove over to New Brittain, CT in the middle of the night long, long, ago,  and dumped some snitch's body parts, namely a few legs and arms in a field off the fairway of #7 at Shuttle Meadow CC......some of these bones have surfaced recently......in fact, I was there the day after the bones were discovered, just a few weeks back.
« Last Edit: September 08, 2004, 07:21:07 PM by McConkey III »

Patrick_Mucci

Re:Convicted Felons as Members
« Reply #28 on: September 08, 2004, 07:34:02 PM »
Frank D,

Are they just home owners in St Andrews or members of the golf course as well ?  There is a substantive difference.

rgkeller,

Were they members or guests ?

Many clubs have formal and/or informal policies regarding membership criteria, before, and after joining.

Each club sets its own policies.  And some will surprise you.

Andy_Lipschultz

Re:Convicted Felons as Members
« Reply #29 on: September 08, 2004, 07:56:46 PM »
Riviera didn't waste any time kicking OJ to the curb.

And he's never been found guilty of a felony.


And when asked why he was getting the boot, despite being found innoocent, he was told, "blood" and "fiber."

« Last Edit: September 08, 2004, 07:57:22 PM by Andy_Lipschultz »

rgkeller

Re:Convicted Felons as Members
« Reply #30 on: September 08, 2004, 08:02:22 PM »
that's remarkable indeed. the pair i'm thinking of could play in the mixed felon scramble.

Well, perhaps there is only one set and my evaluation of their respective games was in error.

rgkeller

Re:Convicted Felons as Members
« Reply #31 on: September 08, 2004, 08:03:37 PM »

rgkeller,

Were they members or guests ?



Members

Bob_Huntley

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Re:Convicted Felons as Members
« Reply #32 on: September 08, 2004, 09:17:59 PM »
Cypress Point had a felon as a member. When the local PB folks wanted to expel him they were over-ridden by the controlling guys from  San Francisco. He was a director of a NYSE listed company, had knowledge of a take-over, bought stock and options in a Swiss bank account under an assumed name, got caught and did time at Lompoc. He was a member until he died.

Frank Quattrone is a member at MPCC. Should his appeal fail, he may well be asked to resign.


Gerry B

Re:Convicted Felons as Members
« Reply #33 on: September 09, 2004, 01:37:03 AM »
each club has their own by-laws -and can make thier own rules

I know of a prominent club in the Chicago area that had a member who was basically a trouble maker as a junior  / intermediate member - and the club had a re-admittance rule when a member turned 35 years old - ie status from intermediate to full member. The member in question was convicted of felony drunk driving when he was 34 years old and was kicked out of the club on his 35th birthday.

Rumour has it that Rush Limbaugh had his membership recently revoked from a prominent Westchester club due to his recent pill popping episode.

Mike Benham

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Re:Convicted Felons as Members
« Reply #34 on: September 09, 2004, 11:03:29 AM »
Riviera didn't waste any time kicking OJ to the curb.


And he's never been found guilty of a felony.


Maybe OJ failed to pay his dues ...
"... and I liked the guy ..."

Mike Benham

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Re:Convicted Felons as Members
« Reply #35 on: September 09, 2004, 11:05:35 AM »
Interesting that everyone missed this insinuation that John is a felon ... :)


... You see, I'd love to play with those convicted felons like you ...


"... and I liked the guy ..."

Tommy_Naccarato

Re:Convicted Felons as Members
« Reply #36 on: September 09, 2004, 11:41:43 AM »
I just want to warn all of you about this crooked Real Estate dealer named Mike Benham and his shaddy margarita practices............Always sitting around BS'ing and when your not looking, tipping his tequila-filled flask into your drink so he can take full advantage of any situation at hand!

If I was a member of a club with him, I would get him kicked out ;)

Lynn_Shackelford

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Re:Convicted Felons as Members
« Reply #37 on: September 09, 2004, 11:48:18 AM »
douglarsen
On the contrary, it was months and months of negotiating with OJ's rep, after the trial, when OJ finally gave up his membership.  He was not thrown out, let's say asked to leave, and to the best of my knowledge his initiation fee was returned.  He never has visited the club since his arrest.  A delicate issue for the club since he was convicted of nothing.

TEPaul
By all means Larry Brown should have been given a membership with the following stipulations:
He must pay full resident memberships for 5 years.
He will not be eligible for an out of town membership if he leaves the area.
Put the "ball" in his court.
I think he has maintained his Bel Air membership, not sure.  I'll bet today he is thinking about the Lakers job in about 3 years.  
It must be kept in mind that the elusive charm of the game suffers as soon as any successful method of standardization is allowed to creep in.  A golf course should never pretend to be, nor is intended to be, an infallible tribunal.
               Tom Simpson

DPL11

Re:Convicted Felons as Members
« Reply #38 on: September 09, 2004, 12:29:26 PM »
douglarsen
On the contrary, it was months and months of negotiating with OJ's rep, after the trial, when OJ finally gave up his membership.  He was not thrown out, let's say asked to leave, and to the best of my knowledge his initiation fee was returned.  He never has visited the club since his arrest.  A delicate issue for the club since he was convicted of nothing.


Lynn,

Isn't that just semantics?

Although acquited, wasn't he found guilty in the cival suit? Not that it makes him a "convicted felon", but I think it certainly would raise a few eyebrows at the Saturday Scotch Foursome.

douglarson-with an "o"

Bob_Huntley

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Re:Convicted Felons as Members
« Reply #39 on: September 09, 2004, 01:12:24 PM »
douglarsen
On the contrary, it was months and months of negotiating with OJ's rep, after the trial, when OJ finally gave up his membership.  He was not thrown out, let's say asked to leave, and to the best of my knowledge his initiation fee was returned.  He never has visited the club since his arrest.  A delicate issue for the club since he was convicted of nothing.


Lynn,

Isn't that just semantics?

Although acquited, wasn't he found guilty in the cival suit? Not that it makes him a "convicted felon", but I think it certainly would raise a few eyebrows at the Saturday Scotch Foursome.

douglarson-with an "o"

Douglarson,

If everyone that had lost a civil suit was asked to resign their memberships, waiting lists would be cut in half.

Steve_ Shaffer

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Re:Convicted Felons as Members
« Reply #40 on: September 09, 2004, 01:14:09 PM »
Doug

One is not found "guilty" in a civil suit. One is found "liable" - by a preponderance of the credible evidence.Small legal point.


By the way, Quattrone, a Philadelphia native and Wharton School grad was sentenced to 18 months. He is planning an appeal.

Steve
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Lou_Duran

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Re:Convicted Felons as Members
« Reply #41 on: September 09, 2004, 01:55:00 PM »
More often than not, I would bet that the predominant policy is that if their money is green, plentiful and timely, and that they behave "appropriately" and below the public glare while at the club- they are fine.

I know of at least one such member at my home club presently, though there are probably several others with very interesting backgrounds.  A former member who used to get plucked regularly to the tune of thousands at a time left the club unexpectedly.  Several years later someone posted an article in the men's grill about this guy who apparently had been sent to federal prison for a number of years for among other things, selling high-risk commercial insurance and not turning in the premiums.  That appears to have been the source of his funds for gambling (a terrible golfer he was, though he played nearly every day).  The irony is that while in prison, our member found his true calling and published two highly successful crime novels.  I don't remember his name, but I know that the gamblers are counting the days until he comes back.   I have no doubt that with a small initiation fee and $315 a month, our felon would be welcomed with open arms.

rgkeller

Re:Convicted Felons as Members
« Reply #42 on: September 09, 2004, 03:19:23 PM »
douglarsen
 He was not thrown out, let's say asked to leave, and to the best of my knowledge his initiation fee was returned.  

I hope Fred Goldman knows about the return of the initiation fee money.

frank_D

Re:Convicted Felons as Members
« Reply #43 on: September 09, 2004, 03:37:31 PM »
Frank D,

Are they just home owners in St Andrews or members of the golf course as well ?  There is a substantive difference.


brother Patrick_Mucci

they were / are all full members of the golf course and did use home addresses located within the gated community of St Andrews - who actually "owned" the homes was always murky (if personally filing bankruptcy the individual claimed ownership only if it was to be considered his personal residence for exemption purposes OR for settlement seizure evasion purposes it was "owned" typically by a string of corporate entities and the individual claimed only to be occupying the residence)

however, they were all convicted of non-violent felonies most would generally be described as "scams" typically relating to SEC violations - the motto down here is "sunny skies and shady people" - for some reason these "types" of people have a tendency to congregate in the boca raton area including full memberships at the golf and country clubs of boca pointe / boca west / etc - as well as st andrews

i've heard boca raton translates as "mouth of the rat" in spanish - maybe that has something to do with it - i don't know


frank_D

Re:Convicted Felons as Members
« Reply #44 on: September 09, 2004, 03:54:36 PM »
I think some of the "Gangsta" types from Leewood drove over to New Brittain, CT

brother McConkey III

the leewood "gangsta" types i believe favored ferry point park (now the sight of a Nicklaus golf course proposal) under the whitestone bridge on the bronx side because of the direct access and proximity to city island's seafood restaurants afterwards - according to legend of course

i don't remember that new brittain or anywhere in CT was ever mentioned - but i don't know