reinforcing conventional wisdom...

[RJ_Daley]

Poor Shivas, he is scratching around all day today trying to get some list started on any proposition he can conjure up to compare land or architects, etc.  But, then the litany of the same old courses and archies gets repeated over and over like some mantra of a GCA.com cult.  

Is it that we simply are not making enough effort to get out there and try other architects work?  I think we ought to make a concerted effort to go play some other archie's work than the old list of ussual suspects of GCA darlings and talk about them more.  We are just constantly reinforcing our beliefs, it seems.

I know some of you do share new experiences, and it is much appreciated.  I for one have not even played any other, unrecognized archie's work from our GCA forum all year.  That is a pity.  I am going to make a commitment to find some other course and less discussed archie's work yet this fall.  How about you?  Any ideas where or who?

[Mark_Rowlinson]

We have a few old architects who have worked in the British Isles and are rarely mentioned, such as Sandy Herd, CK Hutchison, Harry Vardon, Guy Campbell, Cuthbert Butchart, even I suspect SV Hotchkin, but the man I'd like to know about is German - von Limburger.  I've hardly played in Germany and I don't think I've played any of his courses, yet his output was considerable and some of the courses have good reputations.  The other man I should make more of an effort over is Ireland's Eddie Hackett.  Trouble is Irish golf seems prohibitively expensive to me these days.

[RJ_Daley]

Good points Mark.  While some of your examples are 'old dead guys', I believe Eddie Hackett is still with us.  I would love to get over to Ireland and see his work first hand.  At least some of his work is detailed in the book, "Links of Heaven" by Phinney and Whitley.  Is Eddie Hackett the architects version of Moe Norman the player?  Maybe that is a stretch for an analogy, but I hope we do more like your effort to discover Limburger the archie, not the cheese.

Here on our side, while we have given noteriety and comments to STrantz , DeVries, Whitman and such they are still our darlings of GCA.  And Brauer and Richardson fall into that often spoken of GCA.com conversation, and they have also participated themselves, which we all appreciate.

But, not much on Bobbie Weed, even though he has written articles that most conventional wisdom proponents on GCA would agree with his thoughts.  I only played one of his courses and did write about it here.  It was a fine course worth discussing and want to see more by Weed.  

Silva of Black CReek fame has had some discussion thrown his way, but perhaps not enought.  There are plenty of regionally centered archies as well, that don't get too much ink.  Ian Andrew, Paul Cowley and Mike Young's participation helps us to know them.  But, are we seeking out their work to play and discuss, enough?

[Jeff_Brauer]

Is it that we simply are not making enough effort to get out there and try other architects work?  I think we ought to make a concerted effort to go play some other archie's work.....

And,

 
".....I am going to make a commitment to find some other course and less discussed archie's work yet this fall.  How about you?  Any ideas where or who?"

RJ,

Starting when, buddy?  Rumor has it that one well respected member of golf club atlas has turned down not one, but two invitations to play a somewhat talked about course by an unheralded enough to spell his name wrong in many publications for the express purpose of learning, if nothing else, How Not to Do It, 101......

[RJ_Daley]

Jeff, it is just that Evelyth International doesn't have a runway long enough for my NetJet to land, so darn if I won't be stuck with a 12 hour drive.  Now, whining to an archie about travel time don't get you too far I suppose.