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John Kirk

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Sunday's PGA Champ Broadcast on CBS
« on: August 15, 2004, 11:38:55 PM »
I disliked the Sunday presentation of the golf tournament on CBS.  I have two main criticisms.  In order of importance:

1.  There were WAY too many commercials.  I'd estimate that 12-18 minutes per hour were dedicated to pushing products.  Midway through the broadcast, when there are dozens of great players playing the course, we consistently followed a select few.  Not only that, we were never treated to more than 6-8 golf shots before another 2-4 minute barrage of commercials.  I expect to see lots of commercials at the end, when there are few groups on the course, but early on I expect some uninterrupted golf.  The program never had any continuity or momentum.

Not only that, but we saw the same 14 commercials all day long.  Even if they had been "good" commercials (read "funny"), I would have been bored with them the fifth time around.  I estimate I heard a snippet of Led Zeppelin's "Rock And Roll" 40 times.  To those companies who allowed themselves to be advertised in this fashion, I will never buy a Cadillac, or an IBM server, and I'll stick to Viagra, no matter how cute the woman in the commercial is.  Another example of clueless corporate insensitivity to their customers.  I guess I'll have to TIVO your broadcasts from now on, and skip the commercials.

2.  I find golf commentators to be almost useless, and Sunday's broadcast was particularly devoid of insight.   I believe there's an intrinsic problem with the whole concept.  I generally appreciate hearing what club the player hits, how many yards he has left to the hole, and which way a putt breaks.  But I have a real problem with color commentators, and even play-by-play men psychoanalyzing the player's strategic thinking or his mental state from a distance.  They don't really know whether he's calm or nervous, or if he's going to play aggressively or conservatively.  The problem is they make educated guesses like you and I, and they are  often wrong.

Is it interesting that Justin Leonard's coach recommended he loosen his grip recently (from a "7" to a "4")?  Yes that's good info.  I like anecdotes.  But when Lanny Wadkins says Chris DiMarco is going to try a draw the ball into the #18 green in the playoff, and then Chris D. clearly aims his body left to fade it in there (he pulled it a left bunker), it just looks dumb.

The whole concept of golf commentary needs an overhaul.  They try to talk too much.  I don't particularly care for Wadkins' and Nantz' work, but I sympathize with them because I believe the network expects them to keep a running commentary.  Fewer, more thoughtful words would be nice.  And more golf shots than commercials.


I thought Whistling Straits made a fine venue for the championship.  Long enough to make the players use every club in the bag, very photogenic, and many of the very best players could be found near the top of the leaderboard.


Brad Klein

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Re:Sunday's PGA Champ Broadcast on CBS
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2004, 08:50:45 AM »
Someone needs to prescribe some medication for Lanny Wadkins. He is so amped up, and worst of all, talks during a swing and during a shot. Really unbearable.

A.G._Crockett

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Re:Sunday's PGA Champ Broadcast on CBS
« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2004, 09:09:54 AM »
"At this point in time", Lanny has apparently decided to become the poor man's Johnny Miller and second guess (with a tone of TOTAL disbelief, no less!) everybody on the golf course for the shot they just played.  He was not successful.

Agreed on the commercial problems.  I saw Cadillacs bursting through glass in my sleep.  However, I never got tired of the Cialis woman.  Great, great casting...
"Golf...is usually played with the outward appearance of great dignity.  It is, nevertheless, a game of considerable passion, either of the explosive type, or that which burns inwardly and sears the soul."      Bobby Jones

A_Clay_Man

Re:Sunday's PGA Champ Broadcast on CBS
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2004, 09:14:46 AM »
Like when Lanny said to Fehrety something about Vejay's three wood, just after Feherty said it's was either gonna be a three iron, or the seven wood. Becuase VJ had nothing inbetween. Then Vejay goes and hits the green while the others in the playoff all missed.

There was a moment, I believe on Sat. when Bobby Clampett's mic was on, and they had just returned from commercial. He was probably talking to his associates in the booth when he said something like "when you do this much live television".

It was basically a validation for the drivel. Dead air is a major NO NO in the big-time American version of Radio and TV.

The addition of Laird Small was GREAT! If you misssed the tnt telecast, and his few lessons, you really did miss.

Did any notice how that Caddy was holding up the flag for his player? He seemed to violate the rule Laird showed on Friday, standing about a yard away from the cup.

A.G._Crockett

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Re:Sunday's PGA Champ Broadcast on CBS
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2004, 09:17:35 AM »
What is "between" a 7 wood and three iron anyway?
"Golf...is usually played with the outward appearance of great dignity.  It is, nevertheless, a game of considerable passion, either of the explosive type, or that which burns inwardly and sears the soul."      Bobby Jones

Tony_Chapman

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Re:Sunday's PGA Champ Broadcast on CBS
« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2004, 09:26:20 AM »
Does anyone remember the putt Leonard made on #4 for par? It was probably 12-15 feet and Verne Lundquist goes, "He has left himself a good 25 or 30 feet here" after he chipped. I nearly fell off the couch.

Mark Brown

Re:Sunday's PGA Champ Broadcast on CBS
« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2004, 09:44:30 AM »
Broadcasters were awful. Just give me Nance, McCord, Feherty and bring back Ben Wright

Dan Herrmann

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Re:Sunday's PGA Champ Broadcast on CBS
« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2004, 09:51:47 AM »
The HD coverage was frustrating too.  The HD shots were awesome, but there were way too many SD camera shots upconverted to HD poorly, and looked very bad.  If CBS is going to do HD, do the whole thing in HD.

frank_D

Re:Sunday's PGA Champ Broadcast on CBS
« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2004, 09:54:54 AM »
brother jmkirk

one word - TIVO

otherwise - as someone else here noted - i also wish martha burke would arrange to make all golf telecasts like the masters coverage

Matt_Ward

Re:Sunday's PGA Champ Broadcast on CBS
« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2004, 09:58:05 AM »
jimkirk:

Agree with the commercials -- it seems the golf became secondary to the Levitra commercials!!!!

By the way -- the final round at WS was really piss poor in terms of player's taking charge in any measurable way. Did CBS really say anything of substance to illustrate the player futility?

If memory serves, Singh's final round 76 is the highest EVER final round total that actually won the PGA ... in 1977 Gene Littler also shot 76 by lost to Lanny Wadkins at Pebble Beach and nine years later Greg Norman shot the same number but lost to Bob Tway's miracle bunker shot at Inverness.

Since World War II only two times has the winner shot as high as a 75 to win the US Open -- Middlecoff in 1949 at Medinah and Irwin in 1979 at Inverness.

For a winner not to have one birdie on a final round 18 and only one in the playoff the folks at CBS should have added some perspective on just what the top players failed to do during the event.

CBS needs to be more balanced in what it presents because unfortunately the networks are simply becoming more and more an arm of the sponsoring organization.

Raphael_Larson

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Re:Sunday's PGA Champ Broadcast on CBS
« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2004, 10:19:01 AM »
The HD coverage was frustrating too.  The HD shots were awesome, but there were way too many SD camera shots upconverted to HD poorly, and looked very bad.  If CBS is going to do HD, do the whole thing in HD.

I couldn't agree more!  The HD shots were amazing but there were too few of them to make it worth it.  CBS' Masters coverage had a fair number of SD shots mixed in to the coverage but not nearly as many as this weekend (and certainly not so many as to ruin the broadcast, like the PGA braodcast did).    Regardless, HD (when done right) makes watching golf a whole new experience.

Scott_Burroughs

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Re:Sunday's PGA Champ Broadcast on CBS
« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2004, 10:58:46 AM »
Blondes, brunettes and redheads yet again. (except no redhead, dammit!)

Everyone liked the LevitraŽ girl (not bad for a brunette); am I the only one who noticed the Aqua Velva GirlŽ?   :P

No, Bill, I noticed.  But there were two girls in the AV ad, and I'll take the brunette in the waterfall any day....  Never mind that I'm a brunette guy all the way, and she was more attractive in the face anyways, but she had huge.....tracts of land.   ;D

IIRC, both the Levitra and the Cialis women were hotties...


Just remember, it was only a year or so ago that we were sick of the Lincoln Navigator commercials shown every 20 minutes, despite the good music.....

John Kirk

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Re:Sunday's PGA Champ Broadcast on CBS
« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2004, 11:02:15 AM »
Does anyone remember the putt Leonard made on #4 for par? It was probably 12-15 feet and Verne Lundquist goes, "He has left himself a good 25 or 30 feet here" after he chipped. I nearly fell off the couch.

We were yelling at Lundquist at this point, and proceeded to make fun of him by overestimating the length of putts the rest of the day.

I can't remember a golf tournament where fewer putts were made on the last day.  Leonard starting out making everything, then he couldn't make anything.  The missed birdie putt on #15 was big.

On TV, the greens did not appear faster or more sloped than other major events.  I think the greens were probably tricky to read, and the wind was blowing some.  Mostly, I'd attribute it to randomness.  After seeing so many Sundays where players putted well, we saw a day where putting was poor.  Of course I never saw 25 of the top 40 players take a putt.

Mike Hendren

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Re:Sunday's PGA Champ Broadcast on CBS
« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2004, 11:12:18 AM »
Feherty is delightful.  His retort when it was announced that Vijay was hitting a 9-wood on the back nine:  "My granny liked hers!"  

Mike
Two Corinthians walk into a bar ....

Steve Hyden

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Re:Sunday's PGA Champ Broadcast on CBS
« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2004, 11:51:55 AM »
Is it just me or does anyone else wish NBC had all the majors?

Greg Holland

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Re:Sunday's PGA Champ Broadcast on CBS
« Reply #15 on: August 16, 2004, 11:52:24 AM »
I too found the coverage yesterday to be poor -- I guess the Masters has us spoiled.  The thing that bothered me most (though the incessant commercials and bad commentary are up there) is the lack of variety/failure to show more players.  If I didn't know better, I wouldn't have thought that Mickelson and Els were playing yesterday (saw maybe 3-4 of Phil's shots, and 5 or so of Ernie).  Oh, and Lannie has apparently been watching too much BBC -- if he says that was a "brilliant" shot any more I'll scream.    

P.S.  Bobby Clampett is the worst -- besides his nonstop chat during the golf, he makes dumb comments too, as an example, "the hole named "Cliffhanger" must be Arnold Schwarzeneger's favorite hole."  A few minutes later, "Oh, I'm told that was a Stallone movie."  

tlavin

Re:Sunday's PGA Champ Broadcast on CBS
« Reply #16 on: August 16, 2004, 11:52:39 AM »
Feherty is delightful.  His retort when it was announced that Vijay was hitting a 9-wood on the back nine:  "My granny liked hers!"  

Mike

No question, Feherty's line about the nine-wood was the highlight of the tournament from a television standpoint.  He is very talented, but he is surrounded by vanilla, vanilla and more vanilla.  Lanny Wadkins is the worst of the worst, but Bobby Clampett is just as bad.

George Pazin

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Re:Sunday's PGA Champ Broadcast on CBS
« Reply #17 on: August 16, 2004, 12:15:53 PM »
Pet peeve of mine: when Riley missed the putt on 18, Lanny said he may have just cost himself a spot on the Ryder Cup team. They specifically said on TGC the night before that he needed a solo 7th or better to make the team. How does someone whose job it is to provide insight not know something like this? How tough is it to do a little homework?
Big drivers and hot balls are the product of golf course design that rewards the hit one far then hit one high strategy.  Shinny showed everyone how to take care of this whole technology dilemma. - Pat Brockwell, 6/24/04

Dan Herrmann

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Re:Sunday's PGA Champ Broadcast on CBS
« Reply #18 on: August 16, 2004, 01:22:35 PM »
Is it just me or does anyone else wish NBC had all the majors?

All you gotta do is watch their putrid Olympic coverage to know the answer is a strong "NO"!

I thank my lucky stars every Sunday in the fall when I realize that the NFL is no longer on NBC.

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CBS is far from perfect, but I think they do the best golf telecast.  I can't stand ABC's crane shots or Curtis Strange/Hal Sutton.  I love Miller and the boys at NBC, but their corporate hierarchy scares me (see my Olympic quote above).

Rick Shefchik

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Re:Sunday's PGA Champ Broadcast on CBS
« Reply #19 on: August 16, 2004, 01:36:10 PM »
My favorite Wadkins moment was when he panicked about nobody tending the flagstick as Leonard was about to chip from the fringe on 18. Leonard was clearly not on the green, but Wadkins apparently wasn't looking at his monitor. I wonder what he was looking at?

In any event, how could Wadkins possibly have thought that a professional and his caddy would both forget that you had to be ready to remove the flagstick when a shot was being played on the green?
"Golf is 20 percent mechanics and technique. The other 80 percent is philosophy, humor, tragedy, romance, melodrama, companionship, camaraderie, cussedness and conversation." - Grantland Rice

mikes1160

Re:Sunday's PGA Champ Broadcast on CBS
« Reply #20 on: August 16, 2004, 01:52:22 PM »
Ah, I think you guys are really hard on Wadkins - he's improved quite a bit over his early b'casts. Plus, given a small monitor in the booth, one could easily be fooled whether Leonard was on the green or not. Still better than Venturi. And no, I wouldn't want NBC to do all the majors - Koch/Maltbie don't even come close to Feherty/McCord.

What really sucked was the flip-flopping of Lundquist/Clampett/Nantz as primary voice. Agree on a lot of commercials, but you can hardly complain when you're able to watch the tournament practically all day - from TNT to CBS.

JohnV

Re:Sunday's PGA Champ Broadcast on CBS
« Reply #21 on: August 16, 2004, 02:10:48 PM »
mike, I agree on NBC.  I'm so tired of hearing Koch go repetitive.  His "Better than most, Better than most" etc was cute for Tiger's putt at 17 at TPC, but now he seem to do the same thing all the time.

I think CBS was making good for not having commercials on the Masters at the PGA.  IBM and Cadillac were two of the sponsors who got shut out of the Masters were they?

As I said in mail to John Kirk, these days I just read a book and listen for the roars or groans then watch the endless replays to see what I missed.

Paul Richards

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Re:Sunday's PGA Champ Broadcast on CBS
« Reply #22 on: August 16, 2004, 02:19:28 PM »
my impressions of the broadcast were similar to franks - there were WAY too many commercials - there HAD to be many more than on a 'normal' PGA event - and, even worse, it was the SAME commercials, over and over.   :'( :-[ :P :'(
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Brian_Gracely

Re:Sunday's PGA Champ Broadcast on CBS
« Reply #23 on: August 16, 2004, 02:21:54 PM »
Why didn't CBS just have the Levitra woman in the booth, talking about the "quality of experience" at Whistling Straits for some of the players?  Killl two birds with one stone.
« Last Edit: August 16, 2004, 02:24:35 PM by Brian_Gracely »

Paul Richards

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Re:Sunday's PGA Champ Broadcast on CBS
« Reply #24 on: August 16, 2004, 02:23:51 PM »
Brian

Excellent idea!

Then we wouldn't have been subject to that same commercial, over and over and over and ....

 :-[ :P :'(
"Something has to change, otherwise the never-ending arms race that benefits only a few manufacturers will continue to lead to longer courses, narrower fairways, smaller greens, more rough, more expensive rounds, and other mechanisms that will leave golf's future in doubt." -  TFOG

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