[Norbert P]

  The bill on my hat has a gauge on it that scientifically registers my pore purgings.  Last week, in Platteville, Alabama (Played "The Judge" RTJ), the sweat reached half way to the front edge.  
    I'm climatized to the mild and pleasant weather of the Pacific Northwest and it was interesting to be reminded of the many defences that nature can throw at us on golf courses.  I felt ok but my knuckles were white from a kung fu grip swing.  I accidentally tossed my 5 Wood early in the round - it almost went farther than the ball.

  Years ago, when I was a punk playing Table Foosball", we had some sticky grip salve that worked pretty well.  Anybody know of what's the best thing for profusely sweating hands while playing golf?

  BTW  Bill McBride, you were right about The Judge -  it's evil.  I've never seen so much "Do-or-die" design in my life.  
It had some beautiful stuff but it was tough.  I'd say it was agonizing but we had a good time. I actually shot better there than at Kiva Dunes (I couldn't POSSIBLY shoot worse.)

  Thanks for a grand day out in Gulf Shores. Sorry we missed out on drinks after, though.     See you in September.  Slag

[Bill_McBride]

Slag, look forward to seeing you in Portland in Sept and hope your shoulder is better.  How'd you like the corkscrew bridge up the hill from the 18th at Prattville?

[Daryl "Turboe" Boe]

   Years ago, when I was a punk playing Table Foosball", we had some sticky grip salve that worked pretty well.  Anybody know of what's the best thing for profusely sweating hands while playing golf?

  BTW  Bill McBride, you were right about The Judge -  it's evil.  I've never seen so much "Do-or-die" design in my life.  
It had some beautiful stuff but it was tough.  I'd say it was agonizing but we had a good time. I actually shot better there than at Kiva Dunes (I couldn't POSSIBLY shoot worse.)

  Thanks for a grand day out in Gulf Shores. Sorry we missed out on drinks after, though.     See you in September.
Slag

Slag, Try a product called "Dry Grip" that comes in a little bottle.  I swear by the stuff down south here.  It is basically isopropyl alchohol (to evaporate the sweat on your hands) with some kind of Al Oxide (or something similar to antiperspirant) small particles to block the pores and reduce the ammount of new sweat that comes out.  It works pretty well, but on a really bad day down here when I make several applications it does dry out your skin.  Which my wife finds ugly, but it doesnt really bother me.

[Mike Vegis @ Kiawah]

Mike you have that thing called wind or breeze.

A gentle zephyr...  usually around 20-30mph...  Just enough to tussle your hair (or add about 4 clubs...).

[Doug Siebert]

The heat and humidity in the east and midwest is not in the same world as the deep south, especially the sea level but 100 miles in land part. It is kind of like us bitching about cold when we get 2 weeks a year of it. On the other hand we understand AC and that is not the case for the east and midwest. I do pity the east coast during a good heat wave for a real airconditioner makes life alot better.

You can claim that but data from the National Weather Service doesn't back you up.  Show me anywhere down south that gets hotter on its worst day of the year in terms of temperature or more humid in terms of dewpoint than places in the Midwest or NE get.  Its nothing like southerners bitching about cold -- it never gets anywhere near as cold on the coldest day down south as it does up north.

And who says that people outside the south don't have good air conditioners?  I remember once in IIRC 1995 when the heat index hit 125 degrees here in Iowa (something like 102 with a 79 degree dewpoint or some such awful thing) and my house was fine.  Maybe not ice cold, but I'm not one of those people who sets their air conditioner to 72 in the summer.

[Tiger_Bernhardt]

Doug, Obviously I cannot argue with the US Weather Service. However I spent summers in Iowa and Illinois and only on their worst days, like 4 or 5 all summer, did it get anywhere close to our daily bread in July and August in Monroe, Louisiana. I should not say no one has air conditioners. I will  just say that there are many fine hotels in NY, Washington and Chicago have AC's that blow air no colder that what I discharge from my arse each morning for sport.

[A.G._Crockett]

Doug,
If I grant you that it gets as hot or hotter in Iowa as in Georgia in the summer, and the Iowa is vastly colder than Georgia in the winter, I am left with only one question.  Why the hell does anybody live in Iowa anyway?  

[Scott_Burroughs]

From TWC's web site:

average high in Monroe, LA in July:  94
average high in Des Moines, IA in July: 86

average relative humidity levels not given, but I'll wager my salary that Monroe has Des Moines (or anywhere in IA) beat, athough at 86 degrees, it's much easier to get a higher relative humiidty level, because the air can't hold nearly as much moisture.  So, it is possible for IA to have higher relative humidity levels because the temp is 8 degrees lower on average.


I've mentioned it before, but all of you have "summer humidity level"-itis when it comes to relating the relative humidities of summer weather.   A quick climatological lesson:  the relative humidity in the dead summer in the worst spots on earth never get close to 90%-100% in the hottest parts of the day.  I'll wager again that in Houston or Monroe, the relative humidity in July and August at the hottest parts of the day (usually 3-5 p.m.) RARELY gets above 60%-65%, when it's 90-100 degrees out.

An air temp of 95 degrees with a relative humidity level of 65% is a heat index of about 120 degrees.  It hardly ever gets to those levels.  Maybe in the Amazon occasionally....


Doug, an air temperature at 102 degrees and a heat index of 125 is a relative humidity level of about 50%.

Look it up.

[Bill_McBride]

It's not the heat, it's the stupidity!

[Doug Siebert]

A.G.,

We live in Iowa because whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger!  Plus, the traffic is better since the whole state of Iowa probably has a population comparable to that of the greater Atlanta metro area...


Scott,

I never once talked about relative humidity, only dewpoint.  I agree that comparing relative humidity levels is pointless, but I never mentioned it.  I assume since you gave your little weather lesson that you do know what dewpoint is.

Anyway, I never claimed that the average temperature or average dewpoint is as high up north as it is down south, just that on the bad days up here, it is just as bad as the bad days down there.  Obviously down south you have many more of those really bad days, but I get tired of hearing southerners talk about hot and humid days as if it is somehow a different brand of heat and humidity to that faced elsewhere.  Just an inferiority complex born of not having to endure a real winter, I suppose

[Scott_Burroughs]

Doug,

Yes, you did mention dewpoint.  A dewpoint of 79 degrees most likely meant you had or were going to have thunderstorms, likely severe.

I was mostly making my point to all about the fallacy of 90/90 or 100/100 days, because they never happen.

As for summer heat and humidity, I don't mind it at all.   That's why I chose to live here, granted it's not as bad here as Monroe, LA.  I prefer hot summers to cold winters - and golf year-round.

[Tiger_Bernhardt]

Ok, I am starting to feel like how did Matt Ward put it "whiners and crybaby's". Scott did note a very important fact. We can play 12 month golf. It may be hot but the game is played. No more talking like an aggie about humidity and just go play and thank the good lord the sun is up, good health and the course is open for play.

[Steve Lang]

 

gca.com this is houston,.. do you read me?

let's not forget that the folks down south whine about the winter colds spells mainly because they don't have any jackets!  Being an Ohio boy, I have a closet full of coats that have been sitting there mainly unused for 13 years,.. i have a buddy who has lived here all his life and owns nothing more than a nylon windbreaker..

we've been in the 104-108 heat index range lately (mid 90's temp, ~50-55% RH) and while there is usually some SE/SW type wind, it doesn't really help much..  give me that dry north wind

we play early and though the humidity is highest in the AM, we get through it in 3.5-4 hrs walking.. 2-3 gloves.. then to the pool for some temperature equilibrium, but its literally too hot to even swim in the heat of the day.. then to the AC.. maybe out for an emergency 9 after 6 PM when its cooling back down to 90 or so..

gets hot in NY and its a national news story!!!

[Pete Buczkowski]

Maybe this will settle it...info from USA Today climate info shows that south has higher dewpoints than midwest.  However, the record highs are higher in the midwest/heartland - its just not as consistently hot/humid as the south.

From USA Today climate information:

Average dew point & Average High Temp/Low Temp

First 3 columns are for Des Moines, IA , last 3 for Orlando FL -

MAY  48  72/51     65  88/66
JUNE 59   82/61     71  91/72
JULY 64   86/66     73  92/74  
AUG. 62   84/64     73  92/74
SEP. 53   76/54     72  90/73

Houston is about the same as Orlando and Atlanta is slightly cooler and less humid.  An argument can be made that it *can* get hot & humid in the midwest & east coast, but it is always hot & humid in the south.  Another key point is the difference in low temps.  Orlando's all-time record low in July is 64.

These #s came from:
 http://www.usatoday.com/weather/resources/climate/wusaclim.htm  

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