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Brian Phillips

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If you could only study PGA courses which ones would you choose?
« on: June 07, 2004, 10:31:45 AM »
If you given the chance to study any course on this years PGA tour which ones would you choose?

You are allowed up to 10 choices.

Brian
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Michael Dugger

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Re:If you could only study PGA courses which ones would you choose?
« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2004, 11:44:54 AM »
Pebble Beach
Riviera
Harbour Town
Augusta Nat'l
Kapalua Plantation
TPC Sawgrass
Colonial
Cog Hill
Muirfield Village
Westchester or Doral?
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Jimmy Muratt

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Re:If you could only study PGA courses which ones would you choose?
« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2004, 11:58:57 AM »
A couple that haven't been mentioned:

Shinnecock Hills

Mirasol (Fazio's course for the Honda was actually very fun   to watch despite a less than stellar field, the crowned greens were a welcome change)

Whistling Straits

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Brian Phillips

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Re:If you could only study PGA courses which ones would you choose?
« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2004, 03:14:15 PM »
Jimmy,

Of the PGA courses that have interested me the most I would say that Mirasol would be in the top five.  I thought about the following:

TPC Sawgrass
Riviera
Muirfield Village
Harbour Town

Mirasol really stunned me because of everything I had heard on here about Fazio, I thought it was an interesting course to watch on the TV.

Brian
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Smokey_Pot_Bunker

Re:If you could only study PGA courses which ones would you choose?
« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2004, 03:53:36 PM »
I'll look at this without the majors because they rotate courses also out is the Masters.

Pebble Beach
Riviera
TPC Sawgrass
Colonial
Muirfield Village
Cog Hill
Harbour Town
TPC of Scottsdale
Castle Pines
Weschester

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Tiger_Bernhardt

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Re:If you could only study PGA courses which ones would you choose?
« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2004, 04:09:33 PM »
I think you have to take Pebble out as well. It is not a PGA event. Riviera, Cog Hill, Colonial and Harbor Town. That really is not much from a whole year.
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Scott_Burroughs

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Re:If you could only study PGA courses which ones would you choose?
« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2004, 04:13:39 PM »
Tiger,

The AT&T is not a PGA Tour event?

Since we're talking about the AT&T, Spyglass is supposed to be intereting as well, one possibly added to the list.
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Gene Greco

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Re:If you could only study PGA courses which ones would you choose?
« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2004, 06:44:18 PM »
1. Riviera
2. Kapalua Plantation
3. TPC at Sawgrass
4. Westchester
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Jfaspen

Re:If you could only study PGA courses which ones would you choose?
« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2004, 06:46:08 PM »
Kapalua
Riviera
Pebble
Spyglass
Augusta National
Westchester
Shinnecock
Whistling Straights
Castle Pines
Quail Hollow
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Brian_Gracely

Re:If you could only study PGA courses which ones would you choose?
« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2004, 09:36:16 PM »
January - Waialae CC - Raynor; North Beach surfing
February - Rivieria - Thomas; Academy Awards
March - Bay Hill - Palmer; play in the Shootout during the week
April - Augusta - MacKenzie; just watch the azaleas bloom
May - TPC at Southwind - Prichard; BBQ & Blues festival in Memphis
June - Shinnecock - Flynn; Hang out with Hilton sisters
July - Brown Deer Park - Hansen; gotta have a muni on the list;brats & beers with the locals
August - Castle Pines - Nicklaus; World-Class milk shakes and high altitude....who doesn't love a 400yd drive?  ;)
Sept - TPC of Boston - Palmer; Month of tickets at Fenway Park

Oct-Dec:  That's football season!

« Last Edit: June 07, 2004, 09:52:18 PM by Brian_Gracely »
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Tiger_Bernhardt

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Re:If you could only study PGA courses which ones would you choose?
« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2004, 09:42:27 PM »
lol Brian, that is so true.
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Mark_Rowlinson

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Re:If you could only study PGA courses which ones would you choose?
« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2004, 06:02:25 PM »
I fear the European list is even poorer.  Apart from whatever course hosts the Open what have we?  Wentworth, Royal Zoute, wherever they stage the Dutch Open (Haagsche, Noordwijk, Kennemer, Hilversumsche).....  Not good news.
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mark chalfant

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Re:If you could only study PGA courses which ones would you choose?
« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2004, 07:10:13 PM »
   Brian,

This year I would jump ship to ladies tour and study both

Wykagyl (mostly Ross) because of its great land and its variety.

In addtion, I would study the  Orchards which is also by Ross.


If confined to mens tour  Id like to see Forest Oaks per its

interesting green complexes.  Above all, Kapalua would be

great.    I  think  Davis Love and Paul  Cowley created the

 putting interest at  Forest Oaks.


I hope this helps.
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Gerry B

Re:If you could only study PGA courses which ones would you choose?
« Reply #13 on: June 08, 2004, 08:42:43 PM »
Oakland Hills -Ryder Cup this year
Plantation Course
Pebble
Spyglass
Riviera
Shinnecock
Westchester
Colonial
Torrey Pines -they are hosting an Open in a few years
Whistling Straits
and we can add Augusta as a bonus pick -technically not a PGA event

 

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JLahrman

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Re:If you could only study PGA courses which ones would you choose?
« Reply #14 on: June 08, 2004, 09:38:20 PM »
Are they having the Canadian Open at Hamilton again this year or is it being moved?  If it is still at Hamilton I think you'd have to throw that one in, that was a fascinating course last year.
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Gerry B

Re:If you could only study PGA courses which ones would you choose?
« Reply #15 on: June 08, 2004, 09:55:40 PM »
jal - hamilton is unfortunately not hosting this year
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JLahrman

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Re:If you could only study PGA courses which ones would you choose?
« Reply #16 on: June 08, 2004, 10:12:16 PM »
Gerry, do you know why?  Was it just a fill in course for a year?
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Matt Kardash

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Re:If you could only study PGA courses which ones would you choose?
« Reply #17 on: June 08, 2004, 10:37:36 PM »
JAL
they move the canadian open around now. Glenn Abbey is not the permanent home anymore, even though it is hosting this year.
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Gerry B

Re:If you could only study PGA courses which ones would you choose?
« Reply #18 on: June 08, 2004, 10:51:51 PM »
the rcga rotates and favours glen abbey when it is held  in the toronto area as they are headquarted there
Hamilton (a Harry Colt masterpiece) was always considered to be a great course to hold the Canadian open in spite of its relatively short length. I suppose enough people lobbied the selection committee and the club itself -plus they have 27 holes to allow for additional infrastructure.

The Open is going to Shaughnessy in Vancouver - will be interesting how they set up that course to challenge the players.  
There are many great courses on both sides of the border that are deserving of holding a National Championship - however for a variety of reasons -

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lack of room for grandstands and corporate tents
lack of infrastructure - ie access and parking
membership does not want the interruption - especially in the north where the season is short
club does not need the money
potential damage to the course
restricted memebership - ie no women and or minorities

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Matt Kardash

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Re:If you could only study PGA courses which ones would you choose?
« Reply #19 on: June 08, 2004, 11:05:43 PM »
Gerry,

Exactly. Fazio is designing the RCGA eastern headquaters here in Montreal. It's being designed for the canadian open. It will hold the 2006 open. I guess that takes Royal Montreal off the open map.
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Gerry B

Re:If you could only study PGA courses which ones would you choose?
« Reply #20 on: June 08, 2004, 11:11:37 PM »
Matt:

Royal Montreal off the rotation would be a shame. It is the oldest course in North America. Correct me if I am wrong -did Tiger miss the cut there a few years ago?
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Matt Kardash

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Re:If you could only study PGA courses which ones would you choose?
« Reply #21 on: June 12, 2004, 08:12:40 PM »
Gerry

Ya, Tiger missed his one and only professional cut at Royal Montreal in 1997. (remember that....it could mean a big payday in golf trivia one day  ;D)
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