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Tom Doak

Best Candidates for Restoration
« on: February 19, 2003, 12:19:16 PM »
We may have explored this topic before, but I don't remember anyone doing so explicitly.

I'd like to know the 1-2 courses that people think are most deserving of a restoration at this time ... not including projects that are already underway.  What are the most important courses to be restored?
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Joe Hancock

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Re: Best Candidates for Restoration
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2003, 12:34:49 PM »
Tom,

My course needs renovation, are you donating your talents to the project?

Honestly, I am not enough of a historian to answer either of the questions you pose, but I bet we'll get a wide range of opinions based on what courses are near and dear to the treehouse gangs hearts!

Joe
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RJ_Daley

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Re: Best Candidates for Restoration
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2003, 12:43:41 PM »
Mr Chairman, I rise to nominate from the great State of North Carolina, an old and neglected routing of one of the real golden age masters, the venerable Donald Ross, and place before you the candidate of "Little 9" of the Southern Pines Golf Course, in Southern Pines, N.C., not far from the abode of our most beloved figure in golf, who has been absent far too much lately.

From my own area, I offer the Quit Qui Oc course of Elkhart Lake, recently added to by Bob Lohman, but realising that the museum piece of a front 9 (by Tom Bendelow around 1909)and part of back 9 (possibly by Langford in 30s or 40s) need TLC resoration.
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Craig Van Egmond

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Re: Best Candidates for Restoration
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2003, 12:48:18 PM »

Here in Oklahoma:  Dornick Hills

Elsewhere:  Riviera (Poor George)

Augusta?


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Phil_the_Author

Re: Best Candidates for Restoration
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2003, 01:12:59 PM »
Eisenhower Park, Red Course, East Meadow on Long Island. Site of the 1926(?) PGA Championship.

Public-owned course (Nassau County Park) and one of three corses at the park. There used to be five courses here and two have been lost to rime and construction.

As a lady once pretty who has lost the beauty of her youth to neglect and abuse by the uncaring, this course retains a semblence of possible greatness that a proper restoration could show once more to the world.
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Erich

Re: Best Candidates for Restoration
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2003, 01:19:27 PM »
St. Louis Country Club
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ForkaB

Re: Best Candidates for Restoration
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2003, 01:26:21 PM »
I'd restore Prestwick back to the 12-hole configuration that was used in the first 10 or so British Opens.  The "new" holes out by the airport runways don't do a lot for me, and who said golf had to be an 18-hole affair anyway?
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CHrisB

Re: Best Candidates for Restoration
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2003, 01:32:33 PM »
Yale
Sedgefield CC, Greensboro, NC (Ross, 1924)
St. Andrews (Eden)--but it ain't gonna happen!
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Paul Turner

Re: Best Candidates for Restoration
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2003, 01:48:25 PM »
In Britain I'd nominate Sunningdale New, get the bunkers back to this:



The 10th looked equally impressive.

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Scott_Burroughs

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Re: Best Candidates for Restoration
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2003, 01:54:23 PM »
Riviera's an easy choice.
Timber Point

Then:

Oakland Hills
Oak Hill
Inverness

Would I be ruffling any feathers by saying Merion?   ::)

I guess Lido's beyond possibility, huh?
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Erich

Re: Best Candidates for Restoration
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2003, 01:58:51 PM »
Pebble Beach back to the pictures in Shakelford's Golden Age book.
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mike cocking

Re: Best Candidates for Restoration
« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2003, 02:07:28 PM »
Tom,

What about Commonwealth?  It would be great to get back the 1st, 6th, 7th, 10th, 12th, & 17.  

I can't think of a course in Melbourne I'd love to get my hands into more.

(well, perhaps the back nine at Metro, but that would require bulldozing a school - perhaps we need Jeff Kennett on the committee to get that one through)

mike
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Michael Dugger

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Re: Best Candidates for Restoration
« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2003, 02:15:06 PM »
Ojai & La Cumbre
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erich

Re: Best Candidates for Restoration
« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2003, 02:18:22 PM »
Lido
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Bob_Farrell

Re: Best Candidates for Restoration
« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2003, 02:24:30 PM »
Most people probably haven't heard of it, but the old Essex County Country Club (West), which was sold to Essex County some years ago by the private East course. It is now known as Francis Byrne GC.

When I was growing up, this was probably the best public course in NJ. It was an absolute bear. I'm sure Pat Mucci remembers and Matt Ward too.

It has just gone to hell in a handbasket since the county took it over. What a shame!

BF
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TEPaul

Re: Best Candidates for Restoration
« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2003, 02:30:35 PM »
I agree with erich--restore Pebble Beach back to the look just after Chandler Egan. And while in that vicinity restore Cypress back to that exact look in the hole by hole photos of MacKenzie playing the course just following opening. The latter done exactly that way would be a grand slam homerun restoration!!
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M.W. Burrows

Re: Best Candidates for Restoration
« Reply #16 on: February 19, 2003, 02:36:39 PM »
Myopia Hunt Club - Drastically needs green and fairway expansions.  Some old bunkers that were filled in could be brought back and would still be in play.

Winchester - Needs a thorough douche.  Trees, fairways, bunkering, trees, greens, trees.  Great routing though.

Quaker Ridge - I've got to believe that Tillinghast would never have built greens and bunkers that boring.
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john stiles

Re: Best Candidates for Restoration
« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2003, 02:50:47 PM »
Based on other threads in the past,   Yale .... since it would have seem to possibly have some chance.....

Riveria would be nice...
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Andy Silis

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Re: Best Candidates for Restoration
« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2003, 02:58:08 PM »
In California: San Francisco Golf Club ( Tom, I hope you can accomplish restoration minus the lost freeway holes as close to the original as possible)-----In my humble opinion this is one of the great strategic gems in golf with the best bunkering I have ever played!

In Long Island: The Mens Club ( It really just needs a 12th hole that's like the rest of the course )-----This is true golf as it was meant to be!!!



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Chris_Clouser

Re: Best Candidates for Restoration
« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2003, 03:01:56 PM »
I can think of several.  If you had to go by designer I would say the following

CB Mac = Yale
Thomas = Bel Air or Riviera
Flynn = Cherry Hills
Tillie = Quaker Ridge
Mackenzie = Augusta (like that would happen)
Maxwell = Dornick Hills
Ross = Oakland Hills
Others would be Timber Point, and many of the others mentioned below.
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Jim Sweeney

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Re: Best Candidates for Restoration
« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2003, 03:02:28 PM »
Camrg....no no no- just kidding. Though I am curoius about the mound fronting the green at #16. Was that  return to the origional design? Was that one of the holes finished by the committee after Raynor's demise, and the mound a design featurte that was never built? I only get to play there once a year in the Am. qualifier...by far the best in greater Cinci.

Yale is the one. A good restoration would go farther there than anyplace else I know.
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JDoyle

Re: Best Candidates for Restoration
« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2003, 03:23:14 PM »
Yale....by a wide margin...IMHO.
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billb

Re: Best Candidates for Restoration
« Reply #22 on: February 19, 2003, 03:49:32 PM »
Yale
Pasatiempo (there are way too many trees now)
Pebble Beach... get the old bunkers back and maybe some more of the ones with whiskers....a little bit of County Down would make you feel even closer to nature  :)

I have not played Prestwick (yet!), but I love the idea posted here about going back to 12 holes.
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AW Tillinghast

Re: Best Candidates for Restoration
« Reply #23 on: February 19, 2003, 03:57:34 PM »
MW Burrows,

You are right about Quaker Ridge. Rees, RTJ and Fazio's footprints are all over the place. What a shame.
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JohnH

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Re: Best Candidates for Restoration
« Reply #24 on: February 19, 2003, 04:05:47 PM »
Bring back Augusta 1934..... And for crying out loud Cascades GC in Jackson, MI !!!!!!
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