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Jeremy_Glenn.

Re: An informal poll - have you played the Old Cou
« Reply #25 on: February 17, 2003, 05:42:51 PM »
1)  Played it only once (and walked it another time; Does that count?)

2) What I liked:
   - Rolling micro-topography, tight lies and hard ground.  Brings the ground game into play, which brings the features back into play (ie. you can't mindlessly "carry 'n hold")
   - The exit from and entrance into the Auld Grey Toon.  The aura of history.
   - Pot bunkers, even the deep motherf*ers 200 yards from the green.
   - The fact that you don't discover and understand everything after one round.  You might not like that while you're playing, but it makes you want to come back.
   - The green  and how their countours where simply an extension of the surrounding areas.  If it wasn't for the flag you'd almost not realise there was a green.

   What I didn't like:
   - All holes look alike.  OK, slight exageration, but it definitely fails MacKenzie's point about individual holes' memorability.  
   - Dubious safety criteria.
   - General lack of definition throughout.  Not a very visually stunning course.  (I know, I know...  That's a pretty lame thing to admit.) While the "lost at sea" feeling is a characteristic of the course, and probably a good one, it still left me a little uneasy.  Probably my fault though.  So it's strictly a personnal critisism.
   -  The Road Hole.  You hit over a hotel for crissakes! A monstrous beast; an ugly, modern, concrete symbol of greed that destroys the surrounding landscape in the name of a room with a view.  (sorry, just needed to get it out of my system).

Have I passed 25 words yet?

3) My opinion is roughly the same as it was, although the positives and negatives are probably stronger now.



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Forrest Richardson

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Re: An informal poll - have you played the Old Cou
« Reply #26 on: February 17, 2003, 07:04:26 PM »
1) 2
2) 10
3) =
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ChipOat

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Re: An informal poll - have you played the Old Cou
« Reply #27 on: February 17, 2003, 07:06:34 PM »
Played TOC 7 times under varying conditions except horrendous but never from the Medal Tees all the way 'round (a few holes each round when the ranger appeared to be elsewhere) and never with more than a couple difficult pins.

I think it's a fine course with quite a few excellent holes - notably #'s 14 and 17 (now there's a surprise).  I call it overrated because I don't think it's All World Top 10, "(one of) the world's greatest", etc.

My objections to TOC's exalted status are 1) the approaches from the "bail out side" (the left) aren't usually sufficiently difficult vis a vis the riskier route off the tee (the right).  That is, the "wrong" side isn't usually "wrong enough". 2) #'s 8,9, 10 and 18 are just too ordinary for an ultra-championship layout IMO. 3) #18 is especially too ordinary as a finishing hole for my taste.  I like them more demanding - preferably a long (brutal?) par 4.

TOC is a fabulous golf PLACE and I would gladly play it often.  But I believe there are many better layouts on both sides of the pond - many of which will never host a national open championship.

Since I wasn't prepared to find any holes that sort of leave me flat, I'd say my opinion after playing TOC is slightly less than what I expected it would be after 6+ times around.

Still love to play it, though and Fife is absolutely part of my itinerary the next time over with 2 rounds on TOC as a priority (preferably with Rich Goodale but any friendly pairing will do just fine).
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Tony Ristola

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Re: An informal poll - have you played the Old Cou
« Reply #28 on: February 17, 2003, 07:45:12 PM »
Played it twice in winds coming from opposite directions...the first time out I was paired with two local university students and they lead me around by the nose.  Felt my way around the second time out.  Walked it on Sunday.

I liked it a lot.  What struck me were greens...No.'s 2, 10, 11, 12, the depression cutting into 13, and 14 green.  No.2 had me wondering what else was to come.  Much has been written about 11, but the contours were stronger than expected.

1, 17  and 18 were pretty much as expected, though the first green had stronger slopes than expected.  

No.8, so simple looking was impossible to get close with the hole cut around the bunker, and I thought I'd hit the perfect shot, only to find myself 25-30 feet from the hole.  

The swale in front of 5 green was a surprise...how I'd missed that from TV coverage I'll never know.

Though I'd made a pretty throrough study of the course before hand, seeing it made a difference...this became apparent on No.2.

I loved the feeling of the town.  Having people actually stopping and watching you hit a shot and complimenting you if it was successful. People packing their clubs through town.  Golfers hanging over the white rail fence on 18 watching players come in.  The dunes with the surf crashing in...visible walking down to the course and on the first tee.  The R&A clubhouse looming over the course.  Just a great feel.

The one disappointment: the new look Hell bunker.

The place was everything I'd have hoped for and then some...I've gotta get back and take another look.
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mike_beene

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Re: An informal poll - have you played the Old Cou
« Reply #29 on: February 17, 2003, 08:03:25 PM »
Five times.It is my favorite place to play whan the entire experience is considered.I don't like the blindness of the tee shots on 3 thru 7,and 12.My discomfort more deals with the number of people on the course and the fear of killing someone.I relish the green complexes,especially how the fairways and greens evolve out of each other.I love 9 on days it's not drivable;nothing is tougher than 60 yards to a nakad green.After 12,the walk to town.One of the few courses I don't regret the round being over because I'm in St Andrews.I do think the bunkers on 11 and 17 are over the top.I wish Pinehurst had TOC greens.I thought the Old Course would be like concrete in dry times,but I guess the old Dallas mud is the firmest stuff I've seen.
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Don_Mahaffey

Re: An informal poll - have you played the Old Cou
« Reply #30 on: February 17, 2003, 08:19:40 PM »
1. Played it once. Spent three days in St Andrews and played the old, new, Jubilee (lost a fourball match to our caddies from TOC), and Carnoustie. I did have the opportunity to walk most of the course each day and spent quite a few hours watching play at the 17th.

2. Without a doubt one of the finest courses I’ve ever played. Thoroughly enjoyed the width and all the possible angles of attack. I played right before the 2000 Open Championships and the course was in perfect condition. The best fairway turf I’ve ever seen. I believe the 14th hole is the best par 5 on the planet. I also think the road hole is overrated. Maybe it’s because they had narrowed down the fairway for the championship and grew long rough on the left, but it didn’t seem to fit with the rest of the holes. I know it’s great and storied history, but I have a hard time calling a hole great where you have to hit over a building and have a strong possibility of chipping off of asphalt. I found so many other holes to be better, IMHO.

3. My opinion of the course after playing is higher then before I saw it. Partly, I’m sure, because it fits my game. I hook the ball and can get wild, and I can miss it left all day long there. Obviously that’s no reason to call a course great, but I think it’s a great course for any level of golfer.  

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John_D._Bernhardt

Re: An informal poll - have you played the Old Cou
« Reply #31 on: February 17, 2003, 08:27:49 PM »
I have played TOC 8 times and plan to play again this summer. It is a very emotional place to me. Some the real special moments in my golf life occurred there. The first shot at one and the 2nd shot and putts at 18 come to mind. The first time you play the 2nd green with its wild underlations, the first double green, the 8 and 11 cross over, the 11th hole period, the tee shot at 14, the tee shots at 16 and 17, the 12th green as well as 13, the bunkers, the names, the road hole in all its glory, listening to the whisps of the bag pipes ride the winds late in the day, know ing the joy you share with every golfer that day as you watch them play the course, the exhileration of playing it over and over in so many different conditions. I love the course more everytime I play and cannot wait to stand on the first tee once again on July 7, 2003. I hope to play the 8th, 9 th and 10th also. we all have points in life that bring tears of joy the eye and heart. TOC and all of St. andrews does that to me. I love to watch others play there as much or more than any other course on earth. No this is not an architectual post, but I really have trouble seeing past the romance and the beauty of the place as well as its place in the mind and heart of all golfers to look at its bones as one would a mere mortal course.
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Doug Siebert

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Re: An informal poll - have you played the Old Cou
« Reply #32 on: February 17, 2003, 09:11:46 PM »
1) How many times have you played it? (An approximation is fine if you've played it more times than you can count or remember)


Twice,  once in 1991 and once in 2001.


2) What do you *currently* think of TOC? Please summarize your thoughts in 25 words or more. (Be as verbose as you wish, but please be a little more analytical than "I loved it!", "It was OK", or "It sucked!".) :)


Its Mecca for golfers.  No one who considers themselves a true golfer with a sense of history of the game can make that claim if they do not visit this course if they have the means to do so.  People who complain that TOC is overrated due to its history probably find the Coliseum to be a bit shabby and the Great Pyramid at Giza to be unimaginative architecdture.


3) Is your current opinion of TOC higher, lower or roughly the same now than it was before you'd ever actually played it? In other words, what do you think about the course now relative to when you'd only heard stories about it, seen photos of it or watched tournaments on television played on it? (A short answer would suffice, but if you wish to embellish, by all means do so.)


Higher.  Actually higher now than after the first time I played it.  On that trip we didn't stay in St. Andrews, just made two day trips in to play TOC and the Eden.  On the second trip we stayed at the Rusacks for five days, and travelled out to play other courses on some days.  There's nothing like having a leisurely breakfast next to a large window overlooking the 18th green and 1st tee, with the 17th off in the distance.  Or waking up and looking out one's window and seeing them mowing those same holes (we were in the Nicklaus room on the 3rd floor)

Its a different experience when you have the time to just wander over to the Himalayas for a little putting match after the day's game, or stand on the road behind the 17th and watch a half dozen groups come in and see how their play on the hole compares to yours.  OK, yeah the town itself is kind of turning into the Las Vegas of Scotland, but from a room facing the course instead of the town, things are still as they should be.  I just hope Trump never gets the idea to buy the Rusacks  :'(

As far as the game goes, I kind of think my dad gets to appreciate the course more than me.  He's barely hitting it 200 yards even on those firm-n-fast fairways, I'm driving 3 or 4 greens and easily hitting both par 5s.  He's closer to playing it like it would have played in the pre-modern days, with more thought required off the tee to avoid the hidden bunkers and more interest in the approaches to holes like 11.

But technology is a funny thing, you take a hole like the 18th, which many people think is unforgivably weak for the finishing hole on one of the great courses in the world.  That's only true if its a par 4.  But today its a 3 1/2, and one hell of a 3 1/2.  If you drive for the green, you can play to the right and avoid the Valley of Sin but risk OB, or you can play safe for the cross but you better get all of it or you'll be chipping it right through the Valley of Sin.  Its just the mindset that par is an integer that diminishes the 18th in some people's minds.
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Brad Tufts

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Re: An informal poll - have you played the Old Cou
« Reply #33 on: February 17, 2003, 10:18:00 PM »
1.  twice....both in '99, once in june, once on a return trip from a break from golf in Europe in July

2.  I thought it was a stellar examination of golf, especially in the wind conditions despite the fact that it appeared to be a sunny, calm day.  I thought that it was a little more low-key than I thought it would be.  After playing the New, Jubilee, and Cruden Bay among others, the Old Course was as tame in ground movement as we had seen on out trip.  On the small scale, it was very interesting in this way, on the large scale, it was relatively flat.  The greens struck me as amazing, so foreign and different than this country, and the fact that on many American courses, a wayward iron shot can result in a place where the player can have an easy up and down, whereas at the Old Course, this can result in being on the wrong side of a green and a 150 foot putt.  Also, I thought that avoiding the bunkers was not quite as difficult as I had heard.  Nonetheless, I shot 80 and 79, mostly due to poor putting.

3.  I think my perception after playing the Old Course was lower than before I saw it, but this would probably be the same for any course.  If you never see a great course, then you do not see the weaknesses.
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Mike Benham

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Re: An informal poll - have you played the Old Cou
« Reply #34 on: February 17, 2003, 10:28:08 PM »
Darren,

I am breaking the first rule by saying "no" I haven't played The Old Course.

I am also protesting since your poll question was "have you played ..." and my answer is still "no".

If your real agenda was to only have people who have played TOC to give their feedback, then you should have worded your question differently, perhaps, "If" or "How many" or "Your thoughts ...".

Finally, you said there are no wrong answers for #2 or #3, what about #1?  And if you haven't played TOC, then you could technically get #2 and #3 wrong ...

Since I am in the minority having never played TOC, I'm just having some fun tonight ...   ;)

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Michael Whitaker

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Re: An informal poll - have you played the Old Cou
« Reply #35 on: February 17, 2003, 11:57:46 PM »
1) How many times have you played it?  Twice: August, 2001 & August 2002. Both days were mild, lots of sun and gentle winds. Once without a caddie, once with... I recommend with!

2) What do you *currently* think of TOC?  Great course to play the GAME of golf. I didn't really understand why golf would ever be truly played as a game without regard to score before I played TOC. May be the ultimate matchplay course.

3) Is your current opinion of TOC higher, lower or roughly the same now than it was before you'd ever actually played it?  Much higher! There is no way to appreciate the history of the course and the strategy required to play it without seeing it first hand.
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Matthew Mollica

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Re: An informal poll - have you played the Old Cou
« Reply #36 on: February 18, 2003, 01:02:13 AM »

1.      

Played it twice in one week, in June 2002. Slightly different winds, conditions, and times of the day. I also spent around ten hours each day for a week, walking the course, and especially assessing the shots played by better plays, and locals, at different points on the course.

2.

I love TOC, starting with the folklore, and the history of the place. I really enjoy visiting and playing the great courses of the world (who doesn’t?) I especially get a buzz when I think of great players who have played the same holes, at crucial moments in golf history, decades before me playing my own shots, on those same blades of grass.

For me, TOC held much of what I suspected it would, and a lot more. The absence of clear framing of many holes, and a great variety of methods in which to play a hole, was something I liked. I marveled at how my playing partners who were not familiar with such styles of golf course, could get so disoriented so easily. My playing partners and I routinely laughed when we had all holed out, and we often said, “well, there’s more than one way to skin a cat!”

I loved the idiosyncrasies of the course. Bunkers that were very small, and seemingly, in weird spots, until one thinks of the course played in reverse. The immense feeling of space was enjoyable.  The egalitarian nature of the course was something I suspected I would see evidence of frequently, and enjoy, which I did. Lesser drivers escaped big penalties, despite errant shots from the tee; those pushing for a score, sometimes attempted daring shots, and met with dire consequences when executing poorly.  The undulating fairways and greens are course features of which I would never tire. The challenge of approaching the hole, and putting on the vast surfaces was also enjoyable.  
Such a variety of short game shots required at TOC.

Perhaps because of the stature of the course, and the likelihood that I would not play the course that often in future, I really studied prior to playing, and I can now name and locate most bunkers on the course without a worry. I feel I know my way around there well. I escaped all bunkers during one of the rounds, and only ran into Cheape’s Bunker on the 2nd time around. It was immensely satisfying to successfully navigate a path, and play well, on such a grand arena. Perhaps that was some of the reason why I have such a strong liking for TOC.

It’s more than just appreciation for TOC from a purely golf perspective for me. The sensation of walking down onto the course, from those steps next to the R&A clubhouse, was like walking onto a stage. The round was strangely completed, with an ‘exit stage left’, on the same steps, with a little applause from the locals on the white rail around the 18th green.  The feeling I experienced when making the turn towards the town, and teeing it up on 12, was wonderful. There was a spiritual quality to it, I have not experienced before or after. I really felt I was making a journey, which golfers from centuries before, had made; there was a palpable link to golfers of many generations past, and indeed, our game’s forefathers.  I thought of Tom Morris peering out his window, while I putted out on the last.

From a playing perspective, a strategic perspective, a course design perspective, and a historical perspective, The Old Course at St. Andrews holds a special place for me. To borrow the words of Bobby Jones - the more I study it, the more I love it, and the more I love it, the more I study it.

3.
I held high hopes for TOC experience prior to playing, and was a fan prior to seeing the course in person. It only grew in my appreciation after playing. I imagine that if I were to play it ten more times, it would continue to grow in my estimation.

Looking fwd to reading everyone else’s posts !!!  Great topic Darren.


Matthew
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SteveC

Re: An informal poll - have you played the Old Cou
« Reply #37 on: February 18, 2003, 08:30:54 AM »
1) 1.
2) Think it's awesome. Original; funky; hard...easy...no, hard. Nerve-wracking. Thought-provoking. Simple. Brilliant. Compelling.
3) Greater now than before I played it. Only disappointment/surprise (and a small one) - that it wasn't actually on the water. But playing once made me want to go back and play (try) again.
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THuckaby2

Re: An informal poll - have you played the Old Cou
« Reply #38 on: February 18, 2003, 08:46:42 AM »
1) How many times have you played it? (An approximation is fine if you've played it more times than you can count or remember)

Exactly twice.  Once in 1985 and once in 1987, none since.  I'll be playing it again come this July.

2) What do you *currently* think of TOC? Please summarize your thoughts in 25 words or more. (Be as verbose as you wish, but please be a little more analytical than "I loved it!", "It was OK", or "It sucked!".)

I think it's the home of golf.  No further words are needed.

3) Is your current opinion of TOC higher, lower or roughly the same now than it was before you'd ever actually played it?

Same, maybe a little higher seeing it in person, and actually playing it, because now I have some very cool personal memories and stories about a place I held pretty dear before ever seeing it...

TH

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A.G._Crockett

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Re: An informal poll - have you played the Old Cou
« Reply #39 on: February 18, 2003, 09:36:52 AM »
1. Once, in July of 1984.  I actually played the New, then the Old, then returned to London and went to Wimbledon (during the tournament) in the first 5 days of a three-week trip to Europe.  From that point on, my wife called the tune, but what a great start!

2. I am awed by the history and beauty of the place, now as then.  It is as much the setting as the course, I'm convinced.

3. If anything, my opinion of TOC is higher now, because I know so much more of the history of the game and the course's place in that history.  I played that day with rented clubs, sneakers, and my mouth hanging open in amazement.  At least the third would still be true if I was fortunate enough to play it again.  Wonderful fun.
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Bob_Huntley

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Re: An informal poll - have you played the Old Cou
« Reply #40 on: February 18, 2003, 07:08:02 PM »
I'll keep this short and not go into the hole by hole analysis.

1. I've lost count, but well over a hundred times.

2. I think it is one of the best tests of a man's golfing ability and also his control of ego. The many temptations    to go all out in hopes of an heroic outcome are nullified by the complex obstacles that remain unseen. Over    the  past forty years I have scored well, a 69, but that has been trumped by a truly horrendous 109 in a      perfect storm. I would add that most of my rounds have been from the Medal Tees.

3.  My current opinion is higher than before I played it. If there is a greater feeling in golf, than standing on the first       tee in anticipation of what is to come, then I am missing something.  
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Tommy_Naccarato

Re: An informal poll - have you played the Old Cou
« Reply #41 on: February 18, 2003, 08:32:43 PM »
Bob, Why is it when you post, and I read, I read them with your voice in my head?!?!?!

And here I say to all, if you haven't met the impressionable Bob Huntley, I think it is pretty safe to say it would be like going through life without playing the Old Course of St. Andrews.Your life would not be complete!

I find his character to be that exactly like the Old Course. I can't wait to hear and see them both again.

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Yancey_Beamer

Re: An informal poll - have you played the Old Cou
« Reply #42 on: February 18, 2003, 09:15:31 PM »
I've played it 4 times. The first time I took Tom Doak's suggestion and arrived in town on Saturday,walked the course thoroughly on Sunday and played on Monday. There is no other course that I know that allow such excellent scrutiny before teeing off.I also carefully studied Dawson Taylor's,St. Andrews,Cradle of Golf,Chapter 5,"How to Play the Old Course". If you have the strategy in mind the experience is all the greater.Since that time I've played TOC and enjoyed each time even more as I became more familiar with the features and the strategy.My opinion is much higher now that I have experienced the course.Bobby Jones was right "The more I studied the Old Course ,the more I loved it,and the more I loved it,the more I studied it."
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Laun (Guest)

Re: An informal poll - have you played the Old Cou
« Reply #43 on: February 19, 2003, 03:58:39 AM »
Q1: 4 times, all in competitions. It might make a difference because I've only ever seen it at its best.

Q2: The course is unique in my experience, in that choosing the "correct" shot is at least as important as execution. A more experienced player claimed that if you find yourself more than 30ft from the hole after a reasonale approach, you hit the wrong shot. I have no reason to doubt it. The first time I played the course I hit all the wrong shots and took more puts than I care to remember. It is, perhaps, unfortunate that the course attracts so many visitors yet requires so much local knowledge.

On a hole by hole analysis, I think that there are more truly great golf holes than one could expect on any golf course. On the back nine alone I think that 11, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17 and 18 are all outstanding, in their own way.

Overall, I have an enormous respect for the course, not for its reputation, but for its seemingly endless subtleties.

Q3: I thought the course was better than I expected. Having only seen it on the TV before, I had no idea of the undulations and the problems that the golfer faces. I still don't know how Faldo and Tiger could shoot (around) 270 in the Opens.
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Paul Richards

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Re: An informal poll - have you played the Old Cou
« Reply #44 on: February 19, 2003, 05:20:20 AM »
I have played the Old Course four times.  The last time is one of my favorite golfing memories!

I played pretty well (for me) until I jacked one OB on about 13.  I thought I had ruined my round.

At #17, I make a birdie.  Round recovered!

At #18 after a pretty decent drive, my pitch shot hits the pin and hangs on the lip!  The crowd around the green went wild!  My tap-in birdie was about 1-inch and everyone said if it hadn't hit the pin, it was in.

Anyways, I shot a 76 and finished TOC birdie-birdie.

That's a great St. Andrews memory!! :)
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THuckaby2

Re: An informal poll - have you played the Old Cou
« Reply #45 on: February 19, 2003, 07:37:34 AM »

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I find his character to be that exactly like the Old Course. I can't wait to hear and see them both again.

He'll be there March 15 at Pasa, Tommy.  I know you're on the DL but we certainly have a nice position open for SoCal non-playing Captain... I can just see you with the walkie-talkie....

TH
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JohnV

Re: An informal poll - have you played the Old Cou
« Reply #46 on: February 19, 2003, 08:01:19 AM »
1) I have played The Old Course twice, once in 1988 and once in 1995.

2) I believe that TOC is the model against which all other courses should be measured.  One of the great features is how my wife who had only been playing golf for 1.5 years in 1995 was able to get around it and have fun doing it while I was having just as much fun.  The holes encourge rather than intimidating.  Individual holes may stick out in ones mind but to me the overall experience was what really mattered.  The joy of being there, the excitement of my playing partners, some of whom had played it many times and some who were there for the first (and possibly only) time.

3) I'm not sure that my opinion changed from before and after.  Given that it was 15 years ago, I'm not sure how I felt before that first time, other than a desire and anticipation to play it.  I still have that desire and if I schedule a trip will have the anticipation.   While I've played some courses because I heard they were great and even if they were, once was enough to satisfy my curiosity, I believe that playing TOC would always lead me to want to play it again.
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Bob_Farrell

Re: An informal poll - have you played the Old Cou
« Reply #47 on: February 19, 2003, 02:34:32 PM »
Darren:

I've played TOC about a dozen times over the past 29 years of visiting Scotland.

The last time was in '96 and as usual it looked the same as every other time, but it played a little different. The conditions will do that for you. Over the years, I've played it in virtually all conditions nad each provides its own set of challenges.

It CAN play long in the rain and damp. It can play short in the hard and fast. I've played it with the tees up, and as most people cannot, from the Championship tees (the day of the R&A Club Championship finals, about the only way you can do it....legally). It's marvelous.

My opinion is definitely higher than before I first played it. You can't appreciate what television showed you 30 years ago until you actually experience it. And when I did, and all those subsequesnt times, I just admired it for its simplicity and its tenacity.

BF

p.s. - Now to see what others wrote!!
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Robert "Cliff" Stanfield

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Re: An informal poll - have you played the Old Cou
« Reply #48 on: February 19, 2003, 06:18:23 PM »
1) How many times have you played it?

I played the course in just about every season and weather condition.  I moved to St. Andrews and lived as a resident ticket holder in 2002.  Lost track of the rounds except the one with Dodd Stewart when a best friend visited from home.

2) What do you *currently* think of TOC? Please summarize your thoughts in 25 words or more.

Fun, Perverse, Welcoming, Final Rounds (Since I did get to play with my Dad), Subtle, Abrupt, Creative, Tight Lie Wedges, Trusting Tee Shots, Green Strategy!

Sorry I thought 25 words or less?

3) Is your current opinion of TOC higher, lower or roughly the same now than it was before you'd ever actually played it?

Of course the grass is greener but the roll is amazing.  I have played the course in just about every condition and I have started rounds with the sun setting as I reached the fifith green or earlier.  I have never felt robbed of the round but privelaged to be playing a wonderful, thought provoking, golf course for so little money....often by myself with no group behind or in front!

After the nervousness of one, it is alot like driving home when you have been away for a long time.  The course is comfortable, yet it pulls at you to atempt a different shot every time.  I enjoyed the times I played 2 balls and sometimes 3 balls alone.  12 is a favorite and I love the green complex. 2 is a great green to paly a few balls on & to practice shots. 10 is fun to play into the wind after 9 downwind.  The fun in 10 is trying to stop a ball at a front pin placement.  As soon as you have beaten that hole you have 11 into the wind....and if the pin is slightly to the left of the bunker and behind the bunker....good luck!  13 is a great hole and the bunker that divides the fwy with the 6 hole is a menace is some conditions.  The second or sometimes third shot into 14 is wonderful with the front right greenside elephant!  I love The Old Course for what it is....a junk yard dog.  Because if the dog is sleeping then you can have a easy time out on 9 and in on 9.....if the dog is awake and hungry good luck!  I miss TOC most after playing a US 7000 plus tract with no character....etc.  LOVE IT!!!
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herrstein

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Re: An informal poll - have you played the Old Cou
« Reply #49 on: February 19, 2003, 06:48:49 PM »


1) How many times have you played it?
I have played it twice.

2) What do you *currently* think of TOC?
I think it was one of the most enjoyable times I have ever spent on a golf course. We had the first tee time once, the third tee time the next day. The whole experience was like being in a dream, from the first shanked three iron off the 1st tee, to the four birdies on the back, followed by an ignominious 7 on the Road Hole, the first go round, then a great round the second time (and a solid 4 on 17 after I learned how to play the approach!). I had a great old hairy Scot named Jimmy for a caddie both rounds, who probably had more bet on me than did I, judging by the way he scrounged into the gorse looking for my tee shot on the 12th, bleeding and cursing the whole time. I was just enamored with the whole thing.

3) Is your current opinion of TOC higher, lower or roughly the same now than it was before you'd ever actually played it?
I think I have the same high opinion of it now that I did then (8 years ago.

Herrstein
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