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JakaB

Re:Give it up for Phil Mickelson
« Reply #25 on: April 11, 2004, 11:08:27 PM »
Mike,

Jerry Sloan is a Southern Illinois boy like myself so I hate to second guess him...but....he should have double teamed Jordan like everyone in the gym didn't know he was going to take the last shot...remember it was Jordans last hurah..but that would be Monday morning quarterbacking.....I nailed that Els had possibly lost the tournament on 17 in real time....it was a call of a lifetime.

Please don't think I am trying to diminish what Phil did...it was the greatest sports moment of my adult life...that is if being 26 is not quite yet an adult.

Craig Van Egmond

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Re:Give it up for Phil Mickelson
« Reply #26 on: April 11, 2004, 11:09:46 PM »

Congrats to Phil!  What a fantastic finish, best Masters in a long time! I am very happy that Phil got that awful label off his back.

Does Phil's win give some credance to his critics over the years? He always said he would never change his style of play, but he certainly has toned down his game, played aggressive when the opportunity arose, but played it safe when needed. It certainly wasn't the same go for broke Phil.





Rick Shefchik

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Re:Give it up for Phil Mickelson
« Reply #27 on: April 11, 2004, 11:17:24 PM »
I count myself as someone who never expected to see Mickelson play that kind of golf down the stretch. Hell, I didn't expect it after his third bogey on the front nine, when he still seemed to be trying to hit the ball in the perfect place, rather than the safe place, and was making mistakes you'd never see Nicklaus make. And I didn't expect it when he hit 3-wood on the 8th tee, even though Ernie had made eagle there. It seemed as though he was backing off in places where it made sense to be aggressive, and being aggressive in places where he should have backed off.

But I don't think he missed a shot from that point on. He was as close to perfect -- both mentally and physically -- as anyone but Tiger has been in the last 10 years. And now that I've seen him do it, it wouldn't surprise me to see him do it again.

I think Phil Mickelson has finally become as good as everyone thought he was.  
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Mark_F

Re:Give it up for Phil Mickelson
« Reply #28 on: April 11, 2004, 11:18:45 PM »
Hate to rain on your parade, fellas, but the Big Easy wuz robbed.  

A fluffed bunker shot by DiMarco, a casual unconcerned blast out and his ball rolls into position to give Mickelson a perfect read.  he couldn't have had it any easier.

Mike_Golden

Re:Give it up for Phil Mickelson
« Reply #29 on: April 11, 2004, 11:39:46 PM »
John Kavanaugh,

You come off as the ultimate armchair, second guessing spectator.  Your 'call of a lifetime' was just another comment that followed 'Phil isn't going to make a charge' as well as a several other 'observations' that weren't true at all.

The fact is that Ernie Els played tremendous golf today, not only making two eagles and no bogies after #3 but some pretty spectacular up and downs (#14 is one that pops into my head).  Just because, in your not so humble opinion, he wasn't agressive enough on 17 and you attribute that to 'letting up' and then not making birdie on 18 as playing safe as well makes me wonder whether you actually (1) watched the tournament and (2) have every played the game.  If you have done either you would have noticed Ernie hit driver off #18, put it in the second bunker, then hit a wonderful approach shot to about 15 feet and barely missed the birdie putt.  In my book, that's not playing it safe and I doubt than anyone else who reads this would agree with you.

Since you are such a great prognositicator, could you please tell me what stocks will be up more than 50% tomorrow so I can buy some at the opening and retire?

JakaB

Re:Give it up for Phil Mickelson
« Reply #30 on: April 11, 2004, 11:45:27 PM »
Mike,

I don't know about stocks...but I just got a glimpse of the Pope and I think he looks quite content with himself and ready to let go....pray for him but don't give him more than two weeks.   I never said anything about Els on 18...but he did go to the safe part of the green....there is an advantage to being in the last group.

George Pazin

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Re:Give it up for Phil Mickelson
« Reply #31 on: April 12, 2004, 12:01:17 AM »
Way to go Phil - couldn't have scripted it any better. Kudos to the committee as well - great job on the tourney setup.

JKJaxBarn -

Just how do you know that Ernie played safe? I wasn't listening closely - did he call the play to his caddy? Is it not possible he simply mishit his shot by a whopping 5 yards? Or are you one of those guys that believe every pro hiys it exactly where he wants on every shot? Heck, Phil played way further away than Ernie on 17.
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JakaB

Re:Give it up for Phil Mickelson
« Reply #32 on: April 12, 2004, 12:06:59 AM »
 Re:It's so boring....whhhhaaaaaa
« Reply #22 on: Yesterday at 05:36:10pm »      

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If Ernie doesn't win it is because he just played his approach and putt at 17 too safe...this was in his opinion how to win and had nothing to do with the architecture.

The above is exactly what I said and it was before Phil had birdied 16...so Ernie had a one shot lead and looked like a lock if he just parred in.   It was obvious in his putting stroke that he went from charging to playing safe not to lose....it was a subtle but fatal mistake.   Phil goes on to birdie 16 and 18 for one of the greatest finishes of all time....what a great day and then to finish it off the Nick and Jessica Variety show....perfect.

Gib_Papazian

Re:Give it up for Phil Mickelson
« Reply #33 on: April 12, 2004, 01:13:53 AM »
If I am going to make one observation, it would be how astonishing I find it that Phil made birdie, not eagle, on #13 and only a par on #15. To shoot 31 on the back *only* going 1-under for those two par-5's in victory seems impossible. If I was to tell you Phil - who kills the ball - could win the Masters without making a real move on those two holes you would think I was crazy.

Another point I thought interesting was that Phil thought he missed that last putt on #18. Everybody, including his caddy thought it was going to slide off the edge. So often, there is something spooky about the way this tournament ends. Providence . . . . the hand of fate. None of this could be pure chance.

Ben Crenshaw, with his hands still chaffed from the casket of his teacher.

Scott Hoch, a miss from 30 inches with Crenshaw in the booth exclaiming "Heck, what is he waiting for?"

Ray Floyd, with a last chance for glory into the drink on #11.  

Larry Mize. Still the most improbable finish I have ever seen. Any time. Any sport.

Similar to NGLA, I am beginning to believe that Augusta is haunted.

If I was writing the script, the only change I would have made today would be replacing Ernie with Tiger. . . . . just to see Phil stare him down and drill that putt.

Jeez, I love this game.  
« Last Edit: April 12, 2004, 01:17:51 AM by Gib_Papazian »

Mike_Golden

Re:Give it up for Phil Mickelson
« Reply #34 on: April 12, 2004, 02:06:51 AM »
In the JakaB world of pro golf every shot is perfect unless you play safe, then you will lose because you didn't hit it perfect.  In that world, of course, you are 72 under after 72 because that's the way the game is played...unless you play safe, of course, then all is lost.  Oh, and on 18 he hit it to the safe part of the green a whopping 15 feet away..much too far away to be called a good shot.  He should have gone right after the pin, just like NO ONE in the entire tournament did since it was tucked just over the front bunker and there was no room to stop it.

And of course, Ernie should have made a 1 on 16, after all, two alsorans made them just before him, but he played safe and it lost him the tournament.

If Ernie lost the tournament anywhere it was on #3, where he hit driver into the greenside bunker, hit a weak sand shot, and wound up making bogie.  Other than that, he played absolutely tremendous golf.  But I suppose that since he didn't play safe it wasn't a strategic error, just a bad swing, or the wind picked up or the sun was in his eyes or someone flashed him in the middle of his backswing.

Phil won this tournament by playing outstanding golf in spite of his decision to play safely and hit fairways and greens, in spite of hitting 3 wood on 18 when he needed a birdie,  in spite of not making birdie on 15, in spite of not making eagle on 13, all of which should be routinely done in the JakaB world of minigolf.

This logic is so comical it's pathetic, clearly the result of someone who's never really played the game...

Jeff Fortson

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Re:Give it up for Phil Mickelson
« Reply #35 on: April 12, 2004, 02:19:25 AM »
For those privileged enough to walk the grounds of Augusta and see the place in person, it is obvious there are little if any "safe" parts of any greens.  This includes #18.


Jeff F.
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Norbert P

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Re:Give it up for Phil Mickelson
« Reply #36 on: April 12, 2004, 03:34:20 AM »
 A terrific exhibition of what sport can be.

  I couldn't help but remember Payne Stewart's prophetic words to Phil when Payne took the US Open at #2 - grabbing Phil around his nape and saying "You're gonna be a father!" Then, today, Phil almost emulated Payne's reaction on the win but with a giddy leap of disbelief.  Then with wee kid in arms at the scoring table.

 Congratulations to all the great effort in today's competition.

  Sahhhh-lute!!!

 
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Norbert P

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Re:Give it up for Phil Mickelson
« Reply #37 on: April 12, 2004, 03:37:17 AM »
 Padraig Harrington at Shinnecock in a final pairing with...  Corey Pavin!
"Golf is only meant to be a small part of one’s life, centering around health, relaxation and having fun with friends/family." R"C"M

TEPaul

Re:Give it up for Phil Mickelson
« Reply #38 on: April 12, 2004, 06:15:46 AM »
Way to go Phil Mickelson!!

The next question is how long is it going to take those brilliant critics of Mickelson on here to start complaining his course management is too conservative??  

Here's an early morning new flash though. Last night Phil told Amy to go sleep in the guest room because he wanted to go to bed and have some three way sex with his driver and 3 wood!   ;)

JakaB

Re:Give it up for Phil Mickelson
« Reply #39 on: April 12, 2004, 07:53:30 AM »
Thank God for Phil...he is a true champion and exactly what golf needs during this time of a call for a tournament ball.  Go back to www.pgatour.com and compare Phils back nine with Ernies.....if Ernie had held on to win by shooting 33 on the back with only an eagle on 13 and a birdie on 15 the critics of the changes on the back nine would be crowing today from the highest poop deck.  Two men played the first 69 holes like the great golfers they are...one played the last three like the champion he is today.  

Hey Mike Golden....I said Ernie not Arnie...I have played enough golf to know when a guy is putting not to lose....and I don't know exactly what was going on in Ernies mind on that putt on 17...but it wasn't even close to what Phil was thinking on 18....look at the speed of the ball at the hole...Phil was trying to make his...and I won't tell you what happened my friend.  Look at the tape yourself.

TEPaul

Re:Give it up for Phil Mickelson
« Reply #40 on: April 12, 2004, 08:21:48 AM »
Barney:

I'm glad to see you're so supportive of Phil now that he's finally won a major. This must not be the same golfer you've been so critical of in everyway previously, and if he is aren't you the "fair weather" friend!?   ;)

Brian Phillips

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Re:Give it up for Phil Mickelson
« Reply #41 on: April 12, 2004, 08:30:33 AM »
Could this be at long last a return to competion where we have a big three fighting it out?

Woods
Els
Mickelson

Els - The Open
Mickelson - US Open
Woods - PGA

I never really liked Mick until this weekend where I backed him with £5 each way but that annoying smile did not (for once) look annoying.  He really did look as if he was enjoying it.

Good luck to him.

Brian
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A.G._Crockett

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Re:Give it up for Phil Mickelson
« Reply #42 on: April 12, 2004, 08:41:09 AM »
JakaB
Els shoots 33 coming in on the final day of the Masters and YOU know that he is playing "not to lose"?  Impressive...

Also, as to Phil getting a break from DeMarco's putt (which he did), that is minimal considering the break Els got on Sat. from the ruling.  So it all evened out, didn't it?  (Except that Els' break saved at least 2 shots, if not a DQ!)
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JakaB

Re:Give it up for Phil Mickelson
« Reply #43 on: April 12, 2004, 08:43:17 AM »
Barney:

I'm glad to see you're so supportive of Phil now that he's finally won a major. This must not be the same golfer you've been so critical of in everyway previously, and if he is aren't you the "fair weather" friend!?   ;)

I have always been as hard on Phil as I am myself...he used to reflect so many of my poorer traits....being the man-titted, bad gambler can't close the deal kind I guy I am.  Today I'm gonna forget all that and play golf with a big stupid smile and hug my wife and kids every chance I get...From this day on Phil will be the patron saint of o-fers..which I am a charter member.

JakaB

Re:Give it up for Phil Mickelson
« Reply #44 on: April 12, 2004, 08:55:49 AM »
JakaB
Els shoots 33 coming in on the final day of the Masters and YOU know that he is playing "not to lose"?  Impressive...



AG...I was making two points..

1.  I think Ernie thought 8 under would win and he played 16, 17 and 18 not to lose.

2.  A back nine 33 with an eagle on 13 and a birdie on 15 would have provided foder for the architectural critics who have been saying for months that the swashbuckles had been removed from the players on the back nine...I had place a bet with noonan that would have cost me one of my most valued possesions that a back nine charge would occur....and the last time I checked 7 and 8 are on the front nine.  Without Phils back nine charge...do you think I would have had to pay up....it was close with KJ and Sergio in the mix...but like I said above thank God for Phil.
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John_Conley

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Re:Give it up for Phil Mickelson
« Reply #45 on: April 12, 2004, 09:55:37 AM »
Amazing how Mickelson wins with a great comeback and those who said he "can't win a major" have to be quiet.

There is a difference between "can't" and "hasn't" or "didn't".  If Mickelson couldn't win a major he would not have had NINE top 3s.  The guys who "can't" win a major aren't in the hunt on Sunday.

Dan Herrmann

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Re:Give it up for Phil Mickelson
« Reply #46 on: April 12, 2004, 10:00:42 AM »
SO - the important question.

"Who is (now) the greatest player never to have won a major?"




BigEdSC

Re:Give it up for Phil Mickelson
« Reply #47 on: April 12, 2004, 10:28:18 AM »
Man, what a great finish.  The front nine was starting to look like a NASCAR race with all of the wrecks, but the back nine was just flat out exciting.  Glad to see someone win it, than someone lose it.  Ernie played great golf and Phil matched it.  With all of the eagles, it just made it more exciting.  My hats off to both Phil and Ernie.  They both played like champions and Phil came through when the pressure was at the most.  For him to shoot 31 on the back with only going -1 on 13 and 15, that's major.

John_Cullum

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Re:Give it up for Phil Mickelson
« Reply #48 on: April 12, 2004, 10:52:26 AM »
SO - the important question.

"Who is (now) the greatest player never to have won a major?"





Gotta be Monty.
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Doug Wright

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Re:Give it up for Phil Mickelson
« Reply #49 on: April 12, 2004, 12:44:43 PM »
Don't know if this was mentioned on one of  the other many Masters'/Mickelson threads but Phil's new-found maturity was evident throughout the tournament. Sometimes it takes a life-threatening event or other revelation to do this, othertimes just time. In Phil's case it was the former. This is from the San Diego Times Union two months ago:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/golf/buick/20040211-9999-1s11phil.html

Year of Renewal

Phil, Amy Mickelson endured crucible of 2003, emerge with new strength
By Tod Leonard
UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER
February 11, 2004

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Amy Mickelson said she and Phil needed to "reflect on our lives" after the near tragic complications involving the birth of their son Evan (far left) last year.
 
Tina Mickelson still can't recall the day without choking back tears.

She remembers standing in a hallway at Scripps Hospital in La Jolla last March 23 with the horrible feeling that she could do nothing to make things better for her older brother.

Pro golf star Phil Mickelson had everything anybody could want in this world: fame, money, trophies, cars, an incredible house in his hometown, a legion of fans worldwide, a tightly knit and fiercely loyal family. But in the span of mere minutes, he was facing crushing, unfathomable losses.

Amy, Phil's wife of seven years, was in a fight for her life after suffering a torn uterus during the birth of their third child. Basically, she was bleeding to death, and the on-call surgeon who could save her was racing for the hospital from a dinner with friends.

In the same moments, doctors were working to save baby Evan, the Mickelsons' first boy, who suffered so much trauma during the birth that he came out limp and not breathing. It would be seven harrowing minutes before he would take his first gasp of air.

Two rooms and two loved ones. In the middle, there was a man trying to grasp the possibility of a future without either. Never before had Phil Mickelson had so little control over his own life.

"Phil was sitting on a bench outside the operating room, staring at the window," Tina Mickelson said. "I had never seen that look on his face, and there was nothing I could do to help him...

"To see him sit there and be so helpless, possibly about to lose his wife and newborn child... there are so many things that go through your mind that you've never thought of before. My knees just buckled. It was a feeling you can't put into words."

Today, Amy and Evan are healthy. Neither suffered any long-term damage, and Evan is a strong and bright 11-month-old, fussed over by his sisters, Amanda, 4, and Sophia, 2.

But to think that that one day nearly a year ago didn't change Phil Mickelson, that it didn't alter his outlook on golf or his life, is not to have endured something so traumatic.

For all of last year, Phil didn't discuss the trauma outside of immediate friends and family. It wasn't until three weeks ago at the Bob Hope that he spoke of it publicly, in a news conference to announce the formation of his "Birdies for the Brave" charity program.

"It was very, very  . . . and still is, hard for Phil to talk about it," Amy Mickelson said. "It wasn't something he wanted to talk about and relive every week. Now, we're better. Evan is our easiest and happiest baby, and I feel great. It's easier to talk about because it's after the fact and we can reflect back on it."

Reflect being the key word – not dwell. Phil Mickelson, 33, who already has won once this season at the Hope and has two other top-seven finishes in as many starts, enters the Buick Invitational at Torrey Pines tomorrow with a better, tighter swing, yes, but also a renewed desire and attitude.

His outlook, his wife said, is due in part to a heart-to-heart chat the two had last fall.

"We had a lot of perspective on the year, in a lot of ways," Amy said Saturday as she walked in the huge crowd following Phil at Pebble Beach. "Things happened that helped us really reflect on our lives, to know how lucky we are and what is really important.

"We sat down and we talked about how to tackle some of the issues we were dealing with. And we decided the best option was to start fresh, totally start over and not just dwell on it. Blow it off – everything.

"We really don't even talk about last year. It's like it didn't exist. I'm really proud of him for being able to do that, because it's not easy to do."

Said Phil: "Amy and I are a partnership; we discuss everything. And reminiscing about '03 and how we wanted to make '04 different, she played a huge part in that. It's something that we both have to do. We both have to forget about '03. It was a tough year for both of us, not just me. We're just excited about it."

As for what part his positive change in attitude has played in his vastly improved play, Mickelson said, "Attitude seems to produce actions. So being motivated and excited about this year will affect what we do."

On the course, Phil Mickelson never experienced anything like 2003. His swing woes were well-documented and his statistics were awful. He posted four top-10s before Evan was born, amazingly finished third in the Masters only three weeks after, and then didn't sniff a victory for the last six months of the season.

This, from a player who started the year at No. 2 in the world and had averaged two wins a season over a 10-year span. And for the first time, his family saw a different Phil. He was unhappy, and his taste for competition had waned.

"He was not enjoying his job, not wanting to go to work, not wanting to be there," Amy said. "He was frustrated and tired. I would say tired more than anything."

"Granted," said Tina Mickelson, "he has the best family in the world and a wonderful wife, but I did worry about his happiness. It was the first time I was not only sad for him, but angry for what he had to endure."

Off the course, Mickelson's relationship with the media soured. Long since weary of questions about his lack of a major victory and his go-for-broke style, Mickelson was further chafed by the hoopla caused by his off-hand comments in a magazine about Tiger Woods' "inferior" golf equipment. He insisted he meant them as a compliment, and he believed they were intentionally twisted by some to heat up their rivalry.

One year ago today, Mickelson faced dozens of TV cameras and reporters and essentially apologized to Woods for his statements. The buzz reached a crescendo on that Sunday at Torrey Pines, when Mickelson played in the final group with Woods, who outscored him by four strokes in the round and beat him by six.

All along, however, Mickelson believed his assessment was correct – that Woods was winning with Nike equipment that was not as technologically advanced as his own Titleist gear.

Mickelson felt vindicated in July when Woods switched back to his old Titleist driver for four tournaments. But the rift left a bitter taste for the rest of the year.

"I think when you're trying to pay someone a compliment and you get slapped in the face for it, it's the media wanting to believe the worst," said Tina Mickelson, who this month started her new job as an on-course reporter for The Golf Channel. "Some people don't want to believe that someone can be as good-hearted and genuine and down-to-earth as Phil is, and still be successful.

"So he tries to be nice and do something good, but it's like Pavlov's dog. If you keep getting slapped in the face, at what point do you say, 'I'm not going to try'?

"I know I haven't gotten over it," Tina said, laughing. "I'm still (angry) about it."

Her brother, however, has apparently put it behind him. This year, Phil Mickelson is back to being relaxed and jovial. He is smiling easily and his manner has been as smooth as his swing. He is eating better, working out more consistently than ever before.

It would seem he is one of those rare cases whose New Year's resolution has lasted longer than the first week of January.

"He just has an all-around great attitude," Amy said. "I'm so proud of him. After the Phoenix Open he could not wait to get out and work again. That's the big difference from last year. Instead of enduring each week, he can't wait to get back out there."

 
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