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blasbe1

Jack is an ASS
« on: April 10, 2004, 12:01:39 AM »
Jack Nicklaus is an absolute ASS!  His statemant tonight to the press that this may be his last Masters b.c he shot 150 is a f...king  joke.  JACK is a self absorbed ASS.  He has stepped over the line, that he thought he created, for the last time!  Jack is a child who has realized two things:  1) he's less liked than Arnie; and 2) he was never as good as Tiger.   Jack's statements tonight are reckless, arrogant and exactly what I expected.  He's a spoiled little baby that got upstaged . . . shame on Jack!  

You can't teach class and this guy has been a classless  arrogant pr@#k for years and nobody has called him on it . . . I fear today's diatribe will go equally unnoticed.  I can't wait for Tiger to hit #19 so blonde haired little Jackie cries til his voice goes silent . . .      


John Nixon

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Re:Jack is an ASS
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2004, 12:12:29 AM »
..perhaps the decaf would be better for you next time...   ::)

Bill_McBride

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Re:Jack is an ASS
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2004, 12:13:41 AM »
It's not easy getting beyond one's prime.  God knows I understand that!

Jack Nicklaus has always personified class.  He has probably been the best loser of all, and that's the hardest thing to be.  He will leave in a dignified fashion and not leave as Arnold is doing, long beyond any dignity.  It's a tragedy, but I am proud of Jack's style as always.  It is now looking less likely that Tiger will be able to surpass Jack's 18 professional majors.  The pressure is incredible.  It was way too much for Bobby Jones, who typically lost 20 pounds during a major tournament.  Nicklaus won way more than his share, but he was at his most gracious during the losses.   Pebble 1982, Turnberry 1977.  Many more.

He has left the stage with great dignity while Arnold has stumbled off stage.  We all make our choices.  I regret that Arnold made his because he was my idol before Jack came onto the scene.

Arnold says he achieved his goal of finishing 50 years at Augusta.  It's too bad the last 10 weren't as an honorary starter.

Just my humble opinion.  I have never had anything but the utmost respect for Arnie.  One of my earliest golf memories is seeing him stick a 40'er at Harding Park at the Lucky International in 1965!


noonan

Re:Jack is an ASS
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2004, 12:17:27 AM »
Jack Nicklaus is an absolute ASS!  His statemant tonight to the press that this may be his last Masters b.c he shot 150 is a f...king  joke.  JACK is a self absorbed ASS.  He has stepped over the line, that he thought he created, for the last time!  Jack is a child who has realized two things:  1) he's less liked than Arnie; and 2) he was never as good as Tiger.   Jack's statements tonight are reckless, arrogant and exactly what I expected.  He's a spoiled little baby that got upstaged . . . shame on Jack!  

You can't teach class and this guy has been a classless  arrogant pr@#k for years and nobody has called him on it . . . I fear today's diatribe will go equally unnoticed.  I can't wait for Tiger to hit #19 so blonde haired little Jackie cries til his voice goes silent . . .      



Please....the course is beating him to death...let him resign from professional golf in peace.......most of the pros in the field are not good enough to be Jack's caddie.

We all love Arnie, but Jack is the KING.

blasbe1

Re:Jack is an ASS
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2004, 12:27:33 AM »
Bill:

"Jack Nicklaus has always personified class."  Jack once told a friend's parents (at a Nicklaus designed club in FL in the late 90s ) that they didn't belong on the course if they shot over 100.   He's either classless or stupid, take your pick.



 

blasbe1

Re:Jack is an ASS
« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2004, 12:53:34 AM »
..perhaps the decaf would be better for you next time...   ::)

BTW, Life's too short for decaf!

paul cowley

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Re:Jack is an ASS
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2004, 12:55:50 AM »
blasbe 1.....could you share with us your full name and resume?
paul cowley...golf course architect/asgca

blasbe1

Re:Jack is an ASS
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2004, 12:58:19 AM »
Jason K. Blasberg, resume . . .?

Tyler Kearns

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Re:Jack is an ASS
« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2004, 01:03:31 AM »
Blasbe,

Could not DISAGREE with you more!! At 64 years of age, Jack Nicklaus can decide to retire for whatever reason he wants, end of question. The fact that Jack is dissapointed in shooting 75-75 at this year's Masters speaks volumes as to why he has been so successful throughout his career. The fact that he does not aspire for a ceremonial tour of the course (no disrespect to Mr. Palmer intended), replete with teary eyes & standing ovations does not mean he is self-absorbed, rather it represents a level of self-respect many aging professionals could learn from.

Tyler Kearns
« Last Edit: April 10, 2004, 01:03:47 AM by Tyler Kearns »

sonofalawyer

Re:Jack is an ASS
« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2004, 01:12:59 AM »
i did think nicklaus' post round comments about this possibly being his last year at the masters were a bit poorly timed, but i didn't get the impression that he intended to upstage palmer, rather i suspect he was a bit ticked that he had just missed the cut.  he's a competative guy who narrowly missed setting another augusta record (oldest player to make the cut) and someone puts a mike in his face.  i'm not surprised that palmer wasn't the first thing on his mind.  i find it absolutely awesome that jack can play even in the middle of the pack with guys 30 and 40 years his junior.

i've never met nicklaus, but every account i've ever heard of him suggests that he is a thoughtful gentleman.  of course, anyone with that many eyeballs on him for so many years is bound to do or say something that somebody finds objectionable.  i don't know the circumstance surrounding the comment about shooting over 100 and not belonging on a course.  however, i do know that many times i have played behind people who could not break 100 and should not have been on the course because they could not keep up the pace of play.  some courses require you to have a handicap of a certain level or better in order to play.  if this sort of regulation was what nicklaus intended, i don't consider it classless or stupid.

blasbe1

Re:Jack is an ASS
« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2004, 01:15:57 AM »
Paul:

I've unveiled myself . . . so to speak.  

Still confused about "resume?"


Tyler:

With respect, you're wrong . . . Jack cast a dagger tonight . . . if you're correct, then he should have kept his mouth shut and waited until that time when he could "represent. . .  a level of self-respect many aging professionals could learn from."  Instead, he took up 10 minutes of Golf Central when a 23 yr. old Brit should be getting the all the press.  

If this were Jack's last Masters it would be sad for the game but business as usual for Jack.  

paul cowley

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Re:Jack is an ASS
« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2004, 01:22:40 AM »
yes....help me.
paul cowley...golf course architect/asgca

blasbe1

Re:Jack is an ASS
« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2004, 01:32:48 AM »
Peter:
i did think nicklaus' post round comments about this possibly being his last year at the masters were a bit poorly timed, but i didn't get the impression that he intended to upstage palmer, rather i suspect he was a bit ticked that he had just missed the cut.  he's a competative guy who narrowly missed setting another augusta record (oldest player to make the cut) and someone puts a mike in his face.  i'm not surprised that palmer wasn't the first thing on his mind.  i find it absolutely awesome that jack can play even in the middle of the pack with guys 30 and 40 years his junior.

JK's comments cannot be explained by just being a little hot about missing the cut . . . he's 61 but thinks he's 41 . . . and he's competed as such with due respect, but he needed to get over himself and realize that this was Arnie's day, Arnie's Masters, Arnie's 50th, Arnie's 168 . . .  

Today, the fact that Jack thought more of himself than of Arnie was self evident.  Sorry, but Jack is still an ass.

Jeff Fortson

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Re:Jack is an ASS
« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2004, 01:33:03 AM »
I nominate this thread as "Ignorant Thread of the Year".


Jeff F.
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blasbe1

Re:Jack is an ASS
« Reply #14 on: April 10, 2004, 01:50:04 AM »
Jeff:

Did you listen to Jack tonight?  If you did and still think that this thread is "Ignorant" than I imagine I'm guilty as charged (thus avoiding an endless reduction to the absurd, or Jeff do you have the "Absurd" covered too).  If "Ignorant Thread of the Year" will satiate what must be a particularly close cord I've plucked with you  . . . so be it.  BTW, if this is the "Ignorant Thread of the Year" than all threads to date must contain Einsteinian insight.

Cheers
   

blasbe1

Re:Jack is an ASS
« Reply #15 on: April 10, 2004, 01:59:50 AM »
Paul:

I have no relevant resume, do you?

JKB


TEPaul

Re:Jack is an ASS
« Reply #16 on: April 10, 2004, 04:43:03 AM »
Jack Nicklaus is no ass, although it's generally true some golf fans are and probably always have been!  ;)

I was just thinking after watching the Masters Friday and a series of interviews in Butler Cabin how poised and impressive most of these pros are today in interviews. I've never been Arnie's biggest fan but I sure must admit that interview with him in Butler Cabin was one of the most touching things I've ever seen in golf. When he started to cry, caught himself, put his head down for a moment and then came back and said; "I guess I'm just a sentimental slob"---God---that one is definitely going high up in the annals of golf's history!

Another little touch I noticed that was pretty cool and appropriate was when he was on the 18th green (his last in his Masters career), the commentators (LannyW and whomever else) just went silent and kept it that way for perhaps 5 or more minutes without a single word on the air!!   Poignant!!!

A.G._Crockett

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Re:Jack is an ASS
« Reply #17 on: April 10, 2004, 07:19:13 AM »
What Jack IS, is a tremendously competitive and proud man who has had a lifelong rivalry with Palmer.  There is no doubt in my mind that saying that he may not play again after shooting a number just a few shots off the cut is in some ways related to the adulation that Palmer enjoyed this week.  It may not have even been something that Jack was fully conscious of, but its there.  God dropped two very different sets of gifts on those two men, and each has coveted the other's gifts for decades; it won't stop now!  They are, no doubt, friends.  They will also be rivals as long as they live.  There is a subtext in everything they say about each other, and this is just more of it showing through.

I'll give strong odds right now that, if healthy at all, Jack tees it up next year.  First, he'll still feel competitive, and second, Arnie WON'T be playing!
"Golf...is usually played with the outward appearance of great dignity.  It is, nevertheless, a game of considerable passion, either of the explosive type, or that which burns inwardly and sears the soul."      Bobby Jones

blasbe1

Re:Jack is an ASS
« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2004, 07:52:49 AM »
Apparently, Jack is also beyond reproach.  :P

Tim_Weiman

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Re:Jack is an ASS
« Reply #19 on: April 10, 2004, 07:59:56 AM »
Jason,

This is a golf architecture website. If you would like to comment on the architectural work of Jack Nicklaus or any other architect, that would be fine.

But, please be advised that several years ago our group established a standard of refraining from personal attacks. Your post clearly violates that understanding.

Best thing would be for you to delete the entire thread.

Tim
Tim Weiman

TEPaul

Re:Jack is an ASS
« Reply #20 on: April 10, 2004, 08:18:08 AM »
A.G.

That's a very fine, honest and true post of yours. Arnie and Jack are both highly competitive (anyone who reaches their levels is bound to be) and ultimately, in some circumstances, that's probably impossible to hide, and neither would probably want to hide it. They've become friends over the years but friends in that always charged competitive context in which they vied against each other nonetheless. And both are very proud men.

For those on here or elsewhere who are too young to remember those early days when Jack came up on tour and how he basically immediately ripped the crown of the "King of Golf" from Palmer will remember a very different Jack Nicklaus than those who have seen him for perhaps the last 35 years. In those early years, in the early to mid sixties Jack was very different looking and acting than those who've seen him in about the last 35 years.

Then he was "Fat Jack", crew-cut, intensely concentrated, tunnel visioned, far ruder on ever level than in the last 35 years! He was also intensely hated by the general golfing public! Much of that had to do with his wresting the crown from Palmer the way he did but a good deal had to do with the way he looked and the way he was back then. The intense approbrium of golf fans towards him (really vocal on course at times) was something Nicklaus was definitely not unaware of and it's said it truly hurt him and it's also said he tried so hard to never let it show.

And then he decided to change the way he was and the way he was perceived. He changed his look, he grew his hair from the crewcut into long blond locks, lost a lot of weight, wore different clothes and became far more gracious on every level and in every way. It was a pretty amazing transformation or almost reverse transmogrification.

And it worked beautifully and the general golfing public rather quickly came to basically love and truly respect Jack Nicklaus.

The man who started this thread probably remembers that early Nicklaus and has never forgotten that--or else he's just a real Palmer fan.

The thing I've never known. though, nor have I ever heard a thing about, is what Palmer's reaction or actions were to what Nicklaus went through in those early years when Palmer was so loved and Nicklaus so hated because of his successful rivalry with Palmer.

It'd be interesting to know about that because there was no question at all the pain that Nicklaus went through in those early days. There's no way at all Palmer could've missed that or been unaware of it--I know I sure wasn't nor was anyone else interested in golf during that time.

Brad Klein

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Re:Jack is an ASS
« Reply #21 on: April 10, 2004, 08:22:19 AM »
I'm still trying to figure out (above) what it meant for Arnie to "stick a 40'er" at the Lucky Interrnational (see Bill McBride's comment above). My imagination reels.

Actually it's Arnie who is beyond reproach in the golf business. Try to write one critical word about him staying on stage too long or (a separate issue) his design work and you get clobbered. Yes, it's impressive that he's playing the Masters for 50 years, but why is he allowed to carry on while Doug Ford, Gay Brewer and others who earned lifetime exemptions are not invited back? So much for playing by the rules.

As for Jack Nicklaus, what he has is pride. The reason he's considering not returning isn't (just) because he just missed the cut, but because he knows that at age 64, playing a 7,250+ yard course, he probably did as well as he could and it wasn't good enough. I see that as competitive pride, whereas just hanging on for 50 years seems, by comparison, to be vanity.

The difference is Arnie needs public adulation to thrive. Jack just wants to be competitive and have a chance to win.

Oh, I almost forgot, Jason, you might want to remove that sand wedge that's stuck in your craw. You are obviously under-medicated.
« Last Edit: April 10, 2004, 08:57:05 AM by Brad Klein »

TEPaul

Re:Jack is an ASS
« Reply #22 on: April 10, 2004, 08:46:46 AM »
Bill McBride:

To say Jack Nicklaus ALWAYS personified class is historically not exactly accurate. Nevertheless, what may be even better or let's say even greater is real redemption. That's what I think Nicklaus is about in the final analysis. There's no question Arnold Palmer was always loved by golf and golfing fans from day one, but the same can definitely not be said about Jack Nicklaus--and at least some of the reason for that was Arnold Palmer.

And Brad, I think you're right--Jason Blaberg does need to remove that SW that's stuck in his craw. And after doing that should he need any dental work he could always go visit Arnie's #1 fan---dentist Howdy Giles in Wilmington DE.  ;)
« Last Edit: April 10, 2004, 08:51:21 AM by TEPaul »

A_Clay_Man

Re:Jack is an ASS
« Reply #23 on: April 10, 2004, 09:12:52 AM »
Bill McBride, Was that a forty footer?

I've heard stories about both men, one of them involves an on-site incident during new cronstruction of a JN coure.

I had the opportunity to shake both men's hands, but didn't. The first was at the '89 pga. Jack wasn't happily signing autograpphs, so I left him alone. The Palmer story is much better. It was adjacent to the first tee at Pebble and the "owners" tourney was about to go off. Arnie came walking towards me, and I knew exactly how to relate.(His daughter's friend is a friend of mine) He was by himself and just at the moment where our eyes were to make contact and I would've felt obliged to introduce myself, Someone in the group hanging around the front of the pro-shop starting making remarks that Arnie was King again. Apparently Arnie had a date the previous night, and had been given a dose of Viagra, by the guy giviung him shit. Arnie was truely blushing and I missed my chance.

The 14th hole at Shinneythingy is a good hole, or so I'm told.

TEPaul

Re:Jack is an ASS
« Reply #24 on: April 10, 2004, 09:19:13 AM »
Jeeesus, that guy must have been an idiot to give Arnold Palmer viagra. That's sort of like hauling coal to Newcastle!