Architecture as Naturalistic Art

[BarnyF]

Tom;

I was not answering your question I was answering Mike Cirba's...however I answered you without answering you...which enforces my theory on perception. Thank you

If it wasn't for Barry Manilow and Community College I don't think people like me would get a chance to think the deep thought...to write the song that makes the young girl cry...metaphysically speaking.  

Slag;

I think you post clarifies my thoughts exactly...thanks

[T_MacWood]

Our idea of nature was formed by our ancesters milleniums (millenia?) ago. Seeking shelter, hunting for game and avoiding preditors/natural disasters. We are all born with an understanding of the natural, just as we are born with desire to suckle -- it is not taught or acquired, it is innate. I've always wanted to be the first to use the word suckle on this site. My game has been suckling as of late.

You are correct we will never all agree, but at least we can all try to explain our positions logically.

[T_MacWood]

BarnyF
Thanks. (0-5)

Barry Manilow, again, you really crack me up.  

[Slag_Bandoon]

 Tabula rasa

We may have genetic tendencies with our neural passages but our exposure to environment is more powerful in effecting our personalities and our appreciations of the higher forms of art.  In my opinion.

 I tend to appreciate Eddie Hackett minimalistic stuff.  Doak's Pacific Dunes is marvelous.  I don't think I could love a Theodore Robinson contrivance. His presentation of nature exudes obviousness!! Like showy cleavage. I may look but I'm not gonna fall in love. (I'm more of a slit skirt peeker, anyway.)    

(If ever there was a one word quote it is by Mickey Roarke from the movie "Barfly" . . . "Obviousness!!"  His answer on why he hated someone.  Actually he ranted a bit more but that's all I remember)

[T_MacWood]

Slag
I think I understand what you are saying and I have many of the same experiences, but what does man do that doesn't pass through our neuro-passages? And aren't our innate tendencies burried within our minds?

If I keep this up, my brain will blow! And with it all those innate feelings. Good night.

[Mike_Cirba]

Tom MacWood,

My game has been suckling as well, but I made a slight grip adjustment recently and...oh well..hope springs eternal.

I thing I have learned about life is that hope is innate.  That's why we can listen to a song like "Mandy", or "Could it be the Magic" and feel empathetic.

On the other hand, "I Write the Songs" and "It's a Miracle" flat-out suckle!

As Slag says, their too "obvious".  

On the other hand,

[Slag_Bandoon]

  Tom, Good morning!  Yes! all stimuli do go through our neural passages and this is where everything becomes subjective when we process what we perceive.  If all we did was rely on actual data intake from our senses we'd be nothing more than reptiles.  We are manifestly human when we make the rational realization that we are gifted to be alive and can experience complex thought and enlightenment beyond mere sensory stimulation!  Hallelujah!  We are evolving!   Now, the question is: which golf architect should be neutered?    

[Mike_Cirba]

Slag,

I've played courses that I didn't like for reasons I couldn't quite describe.

Thanks to you, in the future I will simply refer to them as "reptilian" designs, and will at least satisfy my own curiousity as to why I don't find any merit in them.  

Simply, they refer to courses where the design is so simplistic, so out of tune and reactive to natural impulses, and so created with neither heart or head, that they could only have been created by either a reptile or a computer.  

[RJ_Daley]

Sitting on the sidelines at the IQ Olympics about all I can get out of this is that Eddie Hacket and Axeland and Proctor and Tom Doak understand that ornamentalizing the land for golf features is not about prettifying nature (as does Robinson waterscapes or Fazio framing), as much as gracefully giving golf playing sturcture to the nature that was there.

"True ornament is not a matter of prettifying externals. It is organic with
the structure it adorns, whether a person, a building, or a park. At its best it is an emphasis of structure, a realization in graceful terms of the nature of that which is ornamented" - Frank Lloyd Wright

Golf Course...
...Architects may come and
Architects may go and
Never change your point of view
When I run dry
I stop a while and think of you

Architects may come and
Architects may go and
Never change your point of view

So long Frank Lloyd Wright... Simon & Garfunkel

[Mike_Cirba]

Tom Paul,

C'mon now!

In what other thread could we have possibly pulled together a hearty and spirited (if obtuse) debate featuring the startling intellect of the following GCA participants;

Rich Goodale
BarnyF
Slag Bandoon
Tom MacWood
Mike O'Neill
The Ghost of Adolph Loos
Yours truly, offering just enough understanding to keep the thread about architecture
RJ Daley, offering just enough understanding to keep all of us sane

THAT'S what great about GCA!  Not only do we have some posters in here talking about "Vandalism", "Satan", and amazingly passionate impressions of golf course architecture, others talking "mission statements", "strong leadership", and "millions of dollars in bid discrepancies", others talking about the vast plethora of golf courses, architectural styles, and where they're playing next month in familial harmony, but we also have many of the rest of us reading every word and trying to piece it all together.

If this is Anarchy, then I love it!  

[RJ D]

Chaos Reigns... or is that rules?  

[TEPaul]

MikeC:

Don't worry I'll be on here eventually but this one does take some musing! In the meantime all I can leave you geniuses with is I'm not sure I agree with Barry Manilow! I can't write songs and if I agree you have to write a song it would be agreeing really half-heartedly. My life's experiences and my observations on the larger aspects of life is it isn't that difficult to make a young girl cry. Unfortunately!

[TEPaul]

In a few days I should have a nice post for you. Luckily, today I should be seeing Pat at Inniscrone and that's a good thing because I've been working on a fundamental connection in art and particularly naturalistic art and the elimination of the stymie.

[Slag_Bandoon]

Dick,  Remember, when you hit Bandon, there's a Karaoke Bar in town at LLoyd's Restaurant. I want you practicing your scales.  (I usually sing instrumentals.)  I wouldn't recommend any of that Barry Mandiblow stuff, tough crowd.  Can you move like Brittney Spears? it could help if you want legendary status.  Either that or set the scoring record at Bandon or Pacific Dunes.  

Mike C,    obtuse : dull intellectually or emotionally; stupid; insensible.    Funk & Wagnall's     (Oh well, it was fun anyway)

 "Just beneath the surface of the mud, there's more more there.  Surprise!"  
 David Crosby    

[Mike_Cirba]

Slag/All,

"Obtuse" was certainly NOT the word I meant to use after reading your definition.  

When I think of the right adjective, I'll recant my testimony.  What's that word again that means "obviously brilliant but tough to understand"?

My apologies for what seemed to be an obtuse remark on my part!    

[Slag_Bandoon]

  Mike, Hmmm... "Obviously brilliant but tough to understand."  Ahh, the elusive word must be 'JAZZ'.

 

[TEPaul]

You were close though! The word is ABSTRUSE.

[Mike_Cirba]

Abstruse, it is!

Thanks for the verbal assist, Tom.  

[Slag_Bandoon]

 Tom P,  Nice bottom of the ninth clutch hitting. I'm not a bit surprised though.  I had an abstruse once but the doctor got rid of it.        

[TEPaul]

That's funny! Very funny!

Who was that comedian, Crosby, Cosby, not Bill, the other one who used to get the thought right but with all the wrong words?

[Mike_Cirba]

Norm Crosby...or, was that Bing Cosby?

[Slag_Bandoon]

 I've stolem his schtick and practiced it on people at my work but I DO work at a steel mill and anything polysyllabic or even beyond grunts is lost on them.  Maybe it's just my conflagration of vernacular and the optical collusions of sound fertility.

 Semper veritas
   

[Slang Bludgeoon]

 Semper Faux veritas  (that's better)

"The secret of Life is HONOSTY.  If you can fake that you've got it made."  George Burns

[ForkaB]

Slag

Semper ubi, sub ubi

That always got a laugh in 9th grade Latin.

[Magnus ver Magnusson]

Vas meinst das, herr Ric-hard ?

"Semper ubi, sub ubi"

Vee hav vays of makingk you tawk.