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T_MacWood

"The Pebble Beach of the East"
« Reply #25 on: August 09, 2001, 05:20:00 AM »
Dick
I love Eastward Ho! and have never quite undertood why it isn't better known. I think it may suffer from its lack of overall length, although it makes up for it with wind and tumbling terrain.

BillV

"The Pebble Beach of the East"
« Reply #26 on: August 09, 2001, 06:01:00 AM »
Why lower a fine east coast course to the level of Pebble Beach?   just kidding!  

What about Cypress for cryin' out loud?

Eastward Ho! is pretty cool.


Ed_Baker

"The Pebble Beach of the East"
« Reply #27 on: August 09, 2001, 06:04:00 AM »
Dick and Tom,

Eastward Ho! is a jewel. I live here and I still have never understood why it has never been regarded with the same reverence as Oyster Harbors,Hyannisport and Kittansett, at least by the locals.

The curious thing is that when I have questioned golfers that have played all of them they offer no difinitive reasons why they like the other 3 better.

I am good friends with a " National caliber" amateur that is a member of Charles River,Oyster Harbors and Eastward Ho! According to him,Eastward Ho! offers the most challenge to scoring day in and day out.
My own experience on these courses would concur with my friends evaluation.Why it isn't universally lauded is a mystery to me.


T_MacWood

"The Pebble Beach of the East"
« Reply #28 on: August 09, 2001, 06:27:00 AM »
Ed
I think you may have hit on the reason. The first time visitor is presented with one of the more idylic settings in golf, plus a scorecard with overall yardage of 6200 from the tips and it's only natural to believe not only is this going to be a spectacular visual experience, but I'm going to be fun shooting a low number in the process.

Reality soon sets in that the yardage is rendered irrelivent due to the wind and the severity of the ground. You throw in the potential for a blind shot or two, plus NEVER having a level lie and many may leave with a bad taste in their mouth after having their brains beat in. Also some are not ammused by the occasional quirkiness found at a course like EH!CC.

I love the place.


BY

"The Pebble Beach of the East"
« Reply #29 on: August 09, 2001, 10:51:00 AM »
Ed,
Do you think that Eastward Ho is a little overwatered? Last I was there, it was too green and it seemed that all of the tall grass was gone.
BY

Ed_Baker

"The Pebble Beach of the East"
« Reply #30 on: August 09, 2001, 11:20:00 AM »
BY,

I haven't played it for the last couple of seasons,but I would suspect that the "look" changes with the Board of Governors and the Green Chairmen like most clubs.Alas.


Mark_Fine

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"The Pebble Beach of the East"
« Reply #31 on: August 09, 2001, 11:33:00 AM »
Eastward Ho is most definitely a gem and well worth playing if you are on the Cape.  I haven't played it since 97 so I can't comment on its latest conditioning but looking back on my notes, I gave it a 7.  That's a pretty high number in my book.

Larry J

"The Pebble Beach of the East"
« Reply #32 on: August 28, 2001, 11:23:00 AM »
Geoff -
Not to keep talking about a course that hasn't opened yet, but can you elaborate on what will make Friar's Head so special?

Steve Pozaric

"The Pebble Beach of the East"
« Reply #33 on: August 28, 2001, 12:24:00 PM »
I am not sure about PB of the east, and in deference to pulliamjs and to Whistling Straights, I was told that either Bay Harbor or Arcadia Bluffs was the Pebble Beach of the Midwest - at least that was what I was told when I booked my trip  
                                     
Steve Pozaric

Mike Hendren

"The Pebble Beach of the East"
« Reply #34 on: August 28, 2001, 01:29:00 PM »
Way East:  Stonehaven!

John Morrissett

"The Pebble Beach of the East"
« Reply #35 on: August 29, 2001, 05:49:00 AM »
Geoff's assessment of Friar's Head is right on the money.

I was out there ten days ago, and my head was spinning when I left.  After seeing Friar's Head, I am convinced I know nothing about golf course architecture.

The main concern with the property seemed to be making the transition from the holes in the dunes in the north to the holes on the old farm land to the south.  As Geoff points out, the southern holes are hardly just "in a field."  In fact, the Cape-like 6th around a bowl is the best "found" hole I have seen in quite some time.  The detail and thought that have gone into make the transition in and out of the dunes is just mind boggling.

Friar's Head appears to be the most strategic golf course I have seen in a long time (without intending to use hyberole, perhaps since the Old Course!).  There are several holes with central hazards and alternate routes.  One of the most appealing and admirable aspects is that the route a player chooses will likely vary as the wind and hole location varies (e.g., he might not always go left on the 11th).


Jeff_Lewis

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"The Pebble Beach of the East"
« Reply #36 on: August 29, 2001, 08:37:00 PM »
Geoff...two comments.
1. I agree with your assessment of Tallgrass. Definitely worth a visit for those who are nearby. Did you also play Links at Shirley? I thought Tallgrass compared favorably. I have not played South Fork in Amagansett, which Gil Hanse also did. Have heard nothing about that and am curious if you have seen it.

2. Terrain. Talking Stick is on what must be the flattest piece of ground in the world. Yet, C/C created a remarkably interesting course on it because their bunkers and green complexes are so good. Also at their East Hampton GC, the first seven holes on the "field" side are just phenomenal.
I have seem many many new courses on very severe terrain that have great views but are often less than walkable and almost always have a few screwy holes dictated by the terrain.


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