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Patrick_Mucci

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« on: September 22, 2001, 03:37:00 AM »
Since many seem to like traditional courses and all that that implies, I have a question.

What course, built in the last 12 years,

Was built with NO CART PATHS

Has no rails, fences or ropes directing cart traffic.

Has no 200, 150, or 100 yard markers

Has no indicators of pin location.

Has no monuments, posts or signs indicating hole number, yardage, handicap, etc., etc..

Has NO BALL WASHERS or spike cleaners.

Should more courses follow this lead ??

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RobertWalker

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« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2001, 04:47:00 AM »
Sand Hills comes close, except that in the rough, there are old fence posts at 150 yards from the greens.
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Derek_Duncan

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« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2001, 05:14:00 AM »
Warren Golf Course at Notre Dame?
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brad_miller

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« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2001, 05:18:00 AM »
Patrick, Is it open yet?? Could it be another C&C project?
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Ran Morrissett

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« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2001, 08:24:00 PM »
My guess is that Rees Jones may be leading such a charge with Nantucket GC, Ocean Forest, The Bridge and The Atlantic. I haven't seen any of the four but, then again, nor have I seen any of the features that Pat mentions in any of their photos.

Also, a new Rees Jones private course named Old Chatham, which is one hour from my house here, has just opened and my understanding is that it fits the above description perfectly.

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brad_miller

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« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2001, 08:50:00 PM »
From the clue "last 12 years" suggest we look at stuff built in 1990-91 otherwise clue might have been "last 10 years"
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Patrick_Mucci

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« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2001, 02:50:00 PM »
Brad,

Or maybe I did that just to throw you off  

Ran, Architects typically design, build and leave, with the club determining the on course features.

It would seem unlikely that a particular architect's views or preferences could prevail over the initial or emerging will of the membership.

But, that's just my opinion, I could be wrong

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Scott_Burroughs

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« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2001, 07:04:00 PM »
My guess is Stonewall.  I know it doesn't have cartpaths, but the rest I don't know.
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Herb_Flood

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« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2001, 07:10:00 PM »
Ran,

I seem to remember markers, signs, and cart paths at The Atlantic. Not 100% sure about cart paths...definitely markers and signs.

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Kevin_Reilly

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« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2001, 08:05:00 AM »
I don't have a guess about this course.  But to answer the question "should more courses follow this lead?" I am absolutely in favor of a course without cart paths and attendant signs, ropes etc. But I have no idea why anyone would oppose ball washers or signs indicating the hole number or yardage.  I for one do not have a caddy cleaning my ball every hole, and I don't replace my ball each hole.  So occasionally I find a ball washer to be very useful.  I've even used one on the FIRST TEE before.

As for signs indicating the number and yardage of the hole, that doesn't strike me as offensive either, as long as the sign doesn't have an advertisement attached to it.

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RobertWalker

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« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2001, 04:54:00 AM »
The best ball washer story I have ever heard is that when Bill Campbell played in the Masters as the Amateur Champion, the 1st thing he did on the 1st tee was wash all of his balls in the ParAid ball washer. Sounds very Bill Campbell.
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Patrick_Mucci

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« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2001, 05:39:00 AM »
Herb Flood,

Your memory is failing you !

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Patrick_Mucci

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« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2001, 05:41:00 AM »
Kevin Reilly,

If you had to take a caddy, wouldn't you have them keep a wet towel to clean your clubs and ball ?

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domer

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« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2001, 11:02:00 AM »
sounds like  Secession in Beaufort,S.C. fits your decription.
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domer

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« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2001, 11:04:00 AM »
sounds like  Secession in Beaufort,S.C. fits your decription.
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Mark_Fine

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« Reply #15 on: September 24, 2001, 11:26:00 AM »
Pat,
My answer to your question would be no unless it is a very private golf course.  Four and a half hours is already too long to play a round of golf.

By the way, drop me an email finemk@epichem.com so I have your address.  I'll let you know about GC on the 11th.
Mark

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Dan Kelly

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« Reply #16 on: September 24, 2001, 11:27:00 AM »
Let's go one better: No pins! What do you say, boys? (I'm sure the average score would improve -- as would mine, which are too often too average for my tastes.)

I would love to play such a course (no cart paths, pin-location indicators, yardage markers, etc.), if it were my home course and could develop my own local knowledge. But if I were a visitor, and got to play it once, I would be most unhappy.

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Kevin_Reilly

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« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2001, 11:58:00 AM »
Patrick,

Yes, but since I don't use a caddy I like to use ball washers.

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RobertWalker

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« Reply #18 on: September 24, 2001, 12:02:00 PM »
What does indicator of pin location mean?
What do you mean by pin?
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Mark_Fine

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« Reply #19 on: September 24, 2001, 12:06:00 PM »
Why bother putting on hole in the green?  Then you could say you never three-putted!  
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BarnyF

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« Reply #20 on: September 24, 2001, 12:07:00 PM »
Patrick,

From your earlier posts I know you are a big Batwoman fan but I will say it anyway....Purrrrrrfect.  At a course of such outstanding quality is it kosher to wear no socks or peds....or could you get away with the three quarter bobbies our west coast friends like to sport?

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JM

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« Reply #21 on: September 24, 2001, 01:05:00 PM »
There is only one course I know of that fits this description to a "T"......and that is Secession Golf Club in Beaufort, SC. I am proud to be a member there. With 64 of the Top 100 Private Golf Clubs in the US represented there, its no wonder why Secession  is such a special place. Play there once and you will understand what I mean. Enough said!
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Scott_Burroughs

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« Reply #22 on: September 24, 2001, 01:11:00 PM »
I walk when I'm allowed (~80% of rounds I play), I don't use caddies (none available), I rarely use ball washers, I NEVER wet my towel, and I'm anal about having a clean clubface and ball.  How's it possible?

Spit. (And a dry towel).  Plain and simple.  A well-filled water bottle keeps the juices coming.

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Scott_Burroughs

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« Reply #23 on: September 24, 2001, 01:12:00 PM »
By the way, Pat, are we going to get an answer to the quiz?  Ran divulged his "Which modern course" answer.
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aclayman

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« Reply #24 on: September 24, 2001, 03:43:00 PM »
Pac Dunes?
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